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Old 08-11-2005, 08:25 AM   #16
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And these people (the one's who wrote the article) actually exist?

This isn't just simply wrong, but also discrimination on the highest level. I'm not athletic, I'm not into sports much, but last time I checked, I'm not gay.
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6. Psychologist Robert Stoller said, “Masculinity is an achievement.” In other words, “growing up straight isn’t something that happens. It requires good parenting. It requires societal support. And it takes time.”
Oh boy.
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NO, NO, Irvine absolutely wishes he wasnt born. No sarcasm, Irvines a very "straight" laced guy.
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Irvine, I'm sure you say that with bitter sarcasm, but even so.... It just doesn't reflect the general opinion here & it makes me so sad/angry every time you say it.

I'm not attacking you... I just hate the ignorance behind people who would make that statement with pride.


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This reminds me of a story my best friend, a gay man, told me. When he was little he preferred playing with his older sister and her dolls rather than with the guns and war toys his Dad bought him. His Dad was so threatened by this that he bought him a basketball and demanded that he play with it. So Dad came home the next day and my friend was pushing the basketball around in his sister's doll's baby carriage. Not to feed a stereotype about signs that your child is gay, but it's a true story and a funny one. He also grew up to be extremely manly.
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That weirds me out. If all that stuff is true then my HUSBAND could have been singled out for gayness at a young age, as could have a lot of boys I was friends with when I was younger.
And I dont know about that whole asexual before puberty thing.....I was attracted to kids way back in preschool, and I remember liking to kiss boys when I was in kindergarten.
But I was a tomboy so I guess my parents should have been worried about me becoming a lesbian
I would hate to see nice sensitive boys encouraged to not be themselves because their parents are worried about them being gay.
thats just sad
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focus on the family is gay
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Dr. James Dobson is a very mean man, eh?
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Someone needs to put together some brochures for the kids of these people, e.g.:-

(1) How to tell if your parent is a whacko

(2) How to cope with troubled parents

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Someone needs to put together some brochures for the kids of these people, e.g.:-

(1) How to tell if your parent is a whacko

(2) How to cope with troubled parents

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This is one example of many why religion and science do not mix.

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'Have your parents been brainwashed by James Dobson - how to spot the warning signs'
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Re: how to tell if your child is a homosexual

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“By the time the adolescent hormones kick in during early adolescence, a full-blown gender identity crisis threatens to overwhelm the teenager,” warns psychologist Dr. James Dobson. To compound the problem, many of these teens experience

“great waves of guilt accompanied by secret fears of divine retribution.”


If your child has already reached puberty, change is difficult, but it’s not too late.

http://www.focusonyourchild.com/deve.../A0000684.html


Religious fundamentalists, of any and all persuasions, that perpetuate this ignorant thinking have more blood on their hands
and have ruined more lives
than anyone's sexual identities or activities

When you support politicians that further this agenda

blood is on your hands.
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This reminds me of a story my best friend, a gay man, told me. When he was little he preferred playing with his older sister and her dolls rather than with the guns and war toys his Dad bought him. His Dad was so threatened by this that he bought him a basketball and demanded that he play with it. So Dad came home the next day and my friend was pushing the basketball around in his sister's doll's baby carriage. Not to feed a stereotype about signs that your child is gay, but it's a true story and a funny one. He also grew up to be extremely manly.


interesting ... i never had any desire to play with girls things, though i remember finding girlish activities -- playing on the monkey bars, even jump roping -- a bit more fun than most organized sports. except for kickball. and then i found swimming, which i suppose is a bit of a gay sport what with all the Speedos, taught and toned bodies, and shaving your body once or twice a year.

however, i was way masculine when it came to actual toys. loved my Star Wars, He-Man, Superfriends, and Transformers, and played lots of fighting games with the toys, and there were lots of guns and lightsabers and tragic deaths and daring rescues and general destruction and mayhem across this huge unfinished basement in the house in which i spent years 6-12. whenever we played pretend, it wasn't house but Indiana Jones or Star Wars or something, and that usually involved lots of guns as well.

of course, we could go into the phallic imagery of guns and *especially* lightsabers.
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