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Old 08-09-2007, 07:35 AM   #151
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doesn't that make the person 'anti choice'?
Why not take this ridiculous analogy a step further... Give someone the choice to own a rocket launcher, give them the choice to carry swords on their belts in public, give them the choice to make homemade anthrax in their backyard... Come on!
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Old 08-09-2007, 09:32 AM   #152
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I'm gonna ask anyway. No one ever seems to able to answer, but what the hell.

How are you going to run the system so women who've been raped can opt to abort?
Still waiting.
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Why not take this ridiculous analogy a step further... Give someone the choice to own a rocket launcher, give them the choice to carry swords on their belts in public, give them the choice to make homemade anthrax in their backyard... Come on!
I think a more reasonable question might be what would the "founding fathers" have outlawed?

Would they have prohibited John Handcock from having cannons and other munitions on his trading ships?

Would they have allowed citizens to carry weapons on passenger ships?


If 2nd amendment supporters want to argue "original intend" then private citizens should be able to have mounted weapons on their vehicles and even on their private property.
Such as cannons, and the like.

I can not extend this argument to anthrax or nukes.
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Still waiting.

I am pro-right to have abortions

pro-choice is for whimps
and actually aids the abortion prohibitionists


I think a rape victim should be able to have an abortion, if she wants one

of course, some women would want to carry that same fetus full term to birth
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I'm still waiting for anyone who is on the "only in rape etc" side to explain the exact plan for this.

I don't expect an answer; they never have a plan.
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many politicians and other people say

no abortions
expect for rape and incest


it does make them sound a little more reasonable

because if they or their wife / daughter / sister was hit over the head and raped by a hardened, disease infected, criminal they want the option

and if their 13 year old daughter got impregnated by a 35 year-old creepy family member, again they want the option


ok, I get your point

unless we live in a country where a rape only legally occurs when there are
three males that will testify
is it even possible to define rape?
what would be the standard?
proof? let's hope the rapist tapes it and puts it on you-tube

incest? sure, women are eager to go public with this and prove it.
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Old 08-09-2007, 01:59 PM   #157
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unless we live in a country where a rape only legally occurs when there are
three males that will testify
is it even possible to define rape?
what would be the standard?
proof?
That's what I'm saying.
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many politicians and other people say

no abortions
expect for rape and incest


it does make them sound a little more reasonable

because if they or their wife / daughter / sister was hit over the head and raped by a hardened, disease infected, criminal they want the option

and if their 13 year old daughter got impregnated by a 35 year-old creepy family member, again they want the option


ok, I get your point

unless we live in a country where a rape only legally occurs when there are
three males that will testify
is it even possible to define rape?
what would be the standard?
proof? let's hope the rapist tapes it and puts it on you-tube

incest? sure, women are eager to go public with this and prove it.
perhaps those in this camp are so callous as to even want women to prove legally that they were raped. after all, this will have to happen for such a legal exemption, right? there'll need to be documented proof from an attending doctor to attest evidence of rape. there will need to be a dna sample taken, charges laid, etc. because it's not bad enough that a woman be raped, but she gets pregnant from the rape! and then she needs to abort the pregnancy! and then go through the legal rigmarole to permit her to rid herself of the offending remnants.

why not elect a fucking jury of strangers to witness the whole fucking mess, too, just in case the woman still has a small shred of dignity left after all this. what dumbarse fuckwit suggested this originally in this thread? i can't be bothered reading back. of all the dumbarse fucking ideas...
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^that wasn't directed at you, deep, by the way. and apologies for the language... actually, no, screw that. there's plenty more if someone wants to be shortsighted enough to actually push the point martha is arguing against. but like she's stated, how the hell can you? and yet, here fym and the world once again sits - arguing over abortion.
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what dumbarse fuckwit suggested this originally
It's a popular policy with conservative politicians in my beloved country. It makes them appear less controlling if they can say that they support the gals in this situation.

And I'll be waiting for a plan forever. I've never gotten anyone here to actually answer the question.
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^that wasn't directed at you, deep,
no problem

I never take anything personal


and Martha

did a good service by repeatedly asking the question

If any one actually gives it a bit of thought they will come to the conclusion that it is really not workable

it is just something they say because they would not want their wives or daughters to have to carry a baby to term if they were raped by someone like this

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Is that...the return of WILLIE HORTON??!
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You're back! Now you can answer my question:

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I'm gonna ask anyway. No one ever seems to able to answer, but what the hell.

How are you going to run the system so women who've been raped can opt to abort?
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IMO all rapes should be reported to the cops as proof, not only for this reason but because the creep needs to get caught. Look, I'm not going to fight with you. I disagree with you on this issue, so respect my 'choice' not to talk to you about it
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IMO all rapes should be reported to the cops as proof, not only for this reason but because the creep needs to get caught.
So all a woman would need to do is report the rape and all is fine! It'll work!


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Look, I'm not going to fight with you. I disagree with you on this issue, so respect my 'choice' not to talk to you about it
Nope. You think you have the right to tell me what happens to my body; you have no respect for choice, so I'm going to ask you how this plan works until you come up with more than cop-out. I'm not "fighting" with you, I'm asking you how it'll work. You think abortions should be allowed in cases of rape. Tell us how that'll work. Otherwise, stop making reproductive decisions for strangers, and make them only for yourself.
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