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Old 08-26-2005, 08:59 PM   #61
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So Italy, Ukraine, Spain( I know they pulled out) Netherlands, Japan, South Korea, and Australia are not major countries?

Can you name an example of a "real" coalition from history without going back to World War II?
They are not major military countries compared to Russia and China, no.

The current war is a grouping of smaller countries supporting the United States and Britain. It most certainly is not a coalition like World War II or even the Gulf War was, and that is the point I'm trying to make here.
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The Middle East was ever stable?
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They are not major military countries compared to Russia and China, no.

The current war is a grouping of smaller countries supporting the United States and Britain. It most certainly is not a coalition like World War II or even the Gulf War was, and that is the point I'm trying to make here.
Well in the 1991 Gulf War, non-US forces made up 24% of the coalition. Currently in Iraq, 17% of the coalition force is made up of non-US forces. So not really to much of a difference at all.

Lets also remember that there are more non-US forces in Iraq than there are in Afghanistan.
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Iraq war costs more per month than Vietnam - report

31 Aug 2005 03:59:29 GMT
Source: Reuters
By Alan Elsner

WASHINGTON, Aug 31 (Reuters) - The U.S. war in Iraq now costs more per month than the average monthly cost of military operations in Vietnam in the 1960s and 1970s, according to a report issued on Wednesday.

The report, entitled "The Iraq Quagmire" from the Institute for Policy Studies and Foreign Policy in Focus, both liberal, anti-war organizations, put the cost of current operations in Iraq at $5.6 billion per month. This breaks down to almost $186 million a day.

"By comparison, the average cost of U.S. operations in Vietnam over the eight-year war was $5.1 billion per month, adjusting for inflation," it said.

As a proportion of gross domestic product, the Vietnam War was more significant, costing 12 percent of annual GDP, compared to 2 percent for the Iraq War. However, economists said the Iraq war is being financed with deficit spending and may nearly double the projected federal budget deficit over the next 10 years.

The U.S. Congress has approved four spending bills for Iraq so far with funds totaling $204.4 billion and is expected soon to authorize a further $45.3 billion.

"Broken down per person in the United States, the cost so far is $727, making the Iraq War the most expensive military effort in the past 60 years," wrote authors Phyllis Bennis and Erik Leaver.

As public support for the war drops, more politicians, including some Republicans, have begun to compare it to Vietnam.

The latest was Nebraska Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel, who received two Purple Hearts and other military honors for his service in Vietnam. He said earlier this month that the United States was "locked into a bogged-down problem, not dissimilar to where we were in Vietnam."

The total cost of the Vietnam War in current dollars was around $600 billion and there are some experts who believe the Iraq War will eventually surpass that total.

For instance, the Congressional Budget Office estimated this year that if the United States managed to reduce its troop deployment to Iraq and Afghanistan to 50,000 by 2010, the cost over the next decade would be an additional $393 billion, which when added to the dollars already spent would exceed the Vietnam total.

While there are far fewer troops in Iraq than there were in Vietnam at the height of that conflict, the weapons they use are more expensive and they are paid more.

The report also highlighted the human costs of the war: the deaths of an estimated 23,000-27,000 Iraqi civilians and more than 2,000 U.S. military personnel and civilian contractors; the social costs of domestic programs slashed to meet the budget shortfall; the loss of income to reservists and National Guard troops who spend long periods away from their careers and businesses as well as the anticipated costs of treating returning troops for mental health conditions as a result of their service.
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So Italy, Ukraine, Spain( I know they pulled out) Netherlands, Japan, South Korea, and Australia are not major countries?
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Well in the 1991 Gulf War, non-US forces made up 24% of the coalition. Currently in Iraq, 17% of the coalition force is made up of non-US forces. So not really to much of a difference at all.
Just for clarification, are you talking about the coalition that's participated in the actual war or the coalition that's involved in the Iraqi build-up? I, for one, didn't support the war but I did support bringing troops in after the 'major combat operations'. I wouldn't like my support for working on a stable Iraq to be misinterpreted as support for starting this whole Iraqi debacle.
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