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Old 08-25-2005, 12:02 PM   #46
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this doesn't really fit in perfectly here,sorry..but to avoid starting a thread

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No, but along with Britain, the U.S. was the only major country heavily involved in this supposed coalition.

Not much of a coalition if you ask me.
So Italy, Ukraine, Spain( I know they pulled out) Netherlands, Japan, South Korea, and Australia are not major countries?

Can you name an example of a "real" coalition from history without going back to World War II?
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Can you name an example of a "real" coalition from history without going back to World War II?
Have we ever claimed and made such a big deal about coalition since then?
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Have we ever claimed and made such a big deal about coalition since then?
Absolutely, and I consider the current coalition in Iraq, to be a "real" coalition.
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Absolutely, and I consider the current coalition in Iraq, to be a "real" coalition.
I meant have we ever gone out of our way to sell the fact that we had a coalition like this war? And when?

I think the numbers and the amount we've had pull out speaks for itself.
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Absolutely, and I consider the current coalition in Iraq, to be a "real" coalition.
How? The British and who else of any substanative support? What are the numbers and the real contribution of the others other than symbolic?

And would you not allow that some people may not consider this a "real" coalition?
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And would you not allow that some people may not consider this a "real" coalition?
They are far leftists traitors...
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Oh. Never mind then. Wouldn't want to be considered a far leftist traitor. Oops. Apparently I already am.
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How? The British and who else of any substanative support? What are the numbers and the real contribution of the others other than symbolic?

And would you not allow that some people may not consider this a "real" coalition?
Here are the numbers for non-US coalition members as of August 16, 2005

United Kingdom 12,000
South Korea 3,300
Italy 3,000
Poland 1,500
Australia 1,370
Ukraine 950
Georgia 850
Romania 863
Japan 800
Denmark 540
Bulgaria 450
El Salvador 380
Azerbaijan 151
Latvia 136
Mongolia 130
Lithuania 120
Albania 120
Slovakia 100
Czech Republic 90
Armenia 45
Bosnia & Herzegovina 36
Macedonia 35
Estonia 35
Kazakhstan 27
Norway 10
Netherlands 4

TOTAL: 27,042 troops from 26 different countries.

I do not know how anyone could judge the brave efforts of these troops as being "symbolic".

If someone does not think this coalition or any coalition in history is not a "real" coalition, thats their opinion, but I have a different opinion as well as historical facts to back it up.

Also remember that the countries above are much smaller than the United States and have much smaller standing military's as well. There are only 3 countries on the planet that have the ability to send their entire military force to any part of the globe and support them independently, and they are the United States, United Kingdom, and France. You have to realize that for some these countries in light of this, their contribution is indeed a big one.
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I meant have we ever gone out of our way to sell the fact that we had a coalition like this war? And when?

I think the numbers and the amount we've had pull out speaks for itself.
The coalition in Iraq is larger in terms of numbers of countries as well as contributions from the individual countries than the coalition currently in Afghanistan!

As far as other wars where we have gone out of our way to sell the fact that it was a coalition, you can count all the military actions from Korea in 1950 up to today, Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf War 1991, even Bosnia and Kosovo. In all cases the United States constituted about the same ratio of the foreign force as the current coalition in Iraq, especially in terms of the initial military operation. Ocupations in Bosnia and Kosovo were more evenly divided, but required for less total troops to begin with and were closer to a variety of countries involved in the operation.
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I do not think any one doubts the bravery of the troops there. I would say this....while it is a coalition it does not have the flavor of the force that went into Iraq during desert storm.
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