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Old 06-07-2011, 04:08 PM   #586
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Well, not if there is no demand for the product or service.

can we all agree now that jobs are more important than debt?

the stimulus should have been bigger.
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Old 06-08-2011, 07:09 PM   #587
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Why would I? It's totally irrelevant. He's not famous for warning the British that the Americans weren't going down without a fight. He's not. She thought he was, because she's horribly uninformed.
I am absolutely, positively, one thousand percent NOT a Palin fan.

But I thought this NPR interview was, sadly, interesting.

How Accurate Were Palin's Paul Revere Comments? : NPR

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MELISSA BLOCK, host:

Sarah Palin is defending her knowledge of American history. Last week, after Palin visited Old North Church and Paul Revere's house in Boston, a reporter asked her what she had seen, and what she'd take away from her visit.

Ms. SARAH PALIN (Former Governor, Alaska): We saw where Paul Revere hung out as a teenager, which was something new to learn. And you know, he who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms, by ringing those bells and making sure, as he is riding his horse through town, to send those warning shots and bells, that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.

BLOCK: Well, after that generated howls of derision for historical inaccuracy, Palin amplified on "Fox News Sunday." Here's part of what she said.

(Soundbite of TV show, "Fox News Sunday")

Ms. PALIN: Part of Paul Revere's ride - and it wasn't just one ride; he was a courier, he was a messenger - part of his ride was to warn the British that we're already there, that hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have. He did warn the British.

BLOCK: We are going to fact-check Palin's Paul Revere history now with Robert Allison. He's chair of the history department at Suffolk University in Boston.

Professor Allison, welcome to the program.

Professor ROBERT ALLISON (Chairman, History Department, Suffolk University): Thanks, Melissa.

BLOCK: And let's review Paul Revere's midnight ride, April 18, 1775. He's going to Lexington, Massachusetts. And according to Sarah Palin, he's riding his horse through town, sending warning shots and ringing those bells. True?

Prof. ALLISON: Well, he's not firing warning shots. He is telling people so that they can ring bells to alert others. What he's doing is going from house to house, knocking on doors of members of the Committees of Safety, saying the regulars are out. That is, he knew that General Gage was sending troops out to Lexington and Concord, really Concord, to seize the weapons being stockpiled there, but also perhaps to arrest John Hancock and Samuel Adams, leaders of the Continental Congress who were staying in the town of Lexington.

Remember, Gage was planning - this is a secret operation; that's why he's moving at night. He gets over to Cambridge, the troops start marching from Cambridge, and church bells are ringing throughout the countryside.

BLOCK: So Paul Revere was ringing those bells? He was a silversmith, right?

Prof. ALLISON: Well, he was - he also was a bell ringer. That is, he rang the bells at Old North Church as a boy. But he, personally, is not getting off his horse and going to ring bells. He's telling other people - and this is their system before Facebook, before Twitter, before NPR - this was the way you get a message out, is by having people ring church bells, and everyone knows there is an emergency.

And by this time, of course, the various town committees of safety, militia knew what the signals were, so they knew something was afoot. So this is no longer a secret operation for the British.

Revere isn't trying to alert the British, but he is trying to warn them. And in April of 1775, no one was talking about independence. We're still part of the British Empire. We're trying to save it. So this is a warning to the British Empire what will happen if you provoke Americans.

BLOCK:Sarah Palin also was saying there that Paul Revere's message to the British in his warning was: You're not going to take American arms - you know, basically a Second Amendment argument, even though the Second Amendment didn't exist then.

Prof. ALLISON: Yeah. She was making a Second Amendment case. But in fact, the British were going out to Concord to seize colonists' arms, the weapons that the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was stockpiling there.

So, yeah, she is right in that. I mean, she may be pushing it too far to say this is a Second Amendment case. Of course, neither the Second Amendment nor the Constitution was in anyone's mind at the time. But the British objective was to get the arms that were stockpiled in Concord.

BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right.

Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.

BLOCK: Are there other historians, Professor, whom you've talked with who say you're being entirely too charitable towards Sarah Palin here, and she really did misread American...

Prof. ALLISON: I haven't talked to many - well, I don't know. I mean, I haven't talked to too many historians today. And you know, Sarah Palin is a lightning rod. I just was thinking about how many times, you know, I've spoken about Paul Revere. I've organized events about the American Revolution. No one ever pays any attention. Suddenly, Sarah Palin comes to town, makes an off-the-cuff remark about what she learned, and suddenly, you're calling me to find out what I think about Paul Revere and the American Revolution.

It's a great honor to talk to you, Melissa.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Prof. ALLISON: I wish it didn't take Sarah Palin coming to town to bring us together.

BLOCK: Well, we'll have to do this again sometime.

Prof. ALLISON: I hope so.

BLOCK: Professor Allison, thanks so much.

Prof. ALLISON: Thanks. Take care.

BLOCK: Professor Robert Allison is chair of the history department at Suffolk University in Boston.
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BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right.

Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did.
And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.
ok, now can the GOP please allow some public funding.
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Newsweek has an eye-catching cover for its latest issue: a dancing Mitt Romney.

The picture, which shows a smiling Romney in mid-leap, is a takeoff of a poster for the Broadway smash "The Book of Mormon." A small text box on the cover reads, "Mitt Romney, Mormon for President." The accompanying story asserts that Mormons are "having a moment," though the religion remains controversial.

Also controversial? The cover itself. Some conservative websites are up in arms. The National Review called it "appalling," and Newsbusters wrote, "is this an appropriate way to introduce a serious presidential candidate to your readers?"

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In an interview Wednesday with CBS News, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain described homosexuality as “a sin” and “a choice.” Appearing on the CBS News web program Washington Unplugged, Cain told CBSNews.com senior political reporter Brian Montopoli “I believe homosexuality is a sin because I’m a Bible-believing Christian, I believe it’s a sin,” he said. “But I know that some people make that choice. That’s their choice.”

Montopoli followed up, asking Cain if he thought gays and lesbians were making “a choice” to be homosexual:


Cain was asked: “So you believe it’s a choice?

“I believe it is a choice,” he responded.
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Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain spoke to an enthusiastic audience in Iowa and unveiled some ideas for how he would keep illegal immigrants from entering the United States along our southern border. While his critics might conclude this is proof that Cain is a fringe, non-serious candidate, supporters of his could just as easily argue that Cain was merely firing up the crowd with his proposal that included alligators, since he was clearly joking – right?

Cain rallied his supporters, saying:

I just got back from China. Ever heard of the Great Wall of China? It looks pretty sturdy. And that sucker is real high. I think we can build one if we want to! We have put a man on the moon, we can build a fence! Now, my fence might be part Great Wall and part electrical technology. . . . Put me in charge of the fence and it will be a twenty foot wall, barbed wire, electrified on the top. And on this side of the fence, I’d have that moat that President Obama talked about. And I would put those alligators in that moat!
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Every time we receive significant intelligence about the enemy, our enemies from within say we obtained is unconstitutionally, as if terrorists should receive the benefits of our constitutional protections.
- Herman Cain on the Constitution

He's a loon and not to be taken seriously.
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I am not going to be too proud of my state and who they choose as the top candidate.....Iowa used to be a pretty liberal state, but seems more and more we're turning into a Southern state in regards to social issues.

We elect a former Gov, and a majority of R's back to the state to try and fix the economy and all we talk about is gay marriage and guns.

I just don't understand why homosexuality is so fucking important when thousands of people don't have jobs. But it's this way on our nation's capital as well. Cut spending for programs that can help the poor, elderly, and minorities.....promote the Bible!
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i kind of do think that Newsweek cover is a bit inappropriate. if i were Team Mittens, i'd be pissed.
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i kind of do think that Newsweek cover is a bit inappropriate. if i were Team Mittens, i'd be pissed.
I know, I shouldn't have laughed (it's just having the Mitt exposure and seeing him like that) and I get what you're saying. I think he said he saw the play and that he really enjoyed it. From what little I know about it I thought it was actually positive about the Mormon faith. ?
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are you sure it's legit ?


I went to their site, they do have Mormon story, a few, that seem a bit more complementary

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They've conquered Broadway, talk radio, the U.S. Senate-and they may win the White House. Why Mitt Romney and 6 million Mormons have the secret to success.
http://www.newsweek.com/content/news...mons-rock.html

could not find that pic
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That's the real cover. They photoshopped Mitt's head onto the Book Of Mormon poster.

LDS reporter who worked on Newsweek's 'Mormon Moment' story defends controversial cover | Mormon Times

http://www.mormontimes.com/article/2...oversial-cover
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ok,

If Irvine, thinks he is being abused, then this can work to Mitt's advantage.

I think it may (barely) cross the line.
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Thinks he (Mitt) is being abused? When did he say that?
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Wire services reporting Newt's campaign higher-ups are all resigning. That was a quickie campaign....about 1 day.
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