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Old 03-11-2003, 04:50 PM   #1
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"God-blessed martyrdom-seeking mission."

Saddam Hussein is actively training suicide bombers for missions against United States troops according to Al-Jazeera.



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I can't read it from here, could you qote the important parts?

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Wow..the article is GONE> NOT there anymore. Weird.
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This is stinking stange...the article is completely GONE.
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Found it on the AP Wire, it is no longer at the Washington Post though. Weird.


Arab volunteers reportedly trained for suicide attacks in Iraq

SALAH NASRAWI, Associated Press Writer Tuesday, March 11, 2003



(03-11) 11:43 PST DOHA, Qatar (AP) --

Saddam Hussein has opened a training camp for Arab volunteers willing to carry out suicide bombings against U.S. forces in case they invade Iraq, Arab media and Iraqi dissidents said Tuesday.

The dissidents, speaking by telephone from Jordan, said scores of Arab volunteers have gone to a special camp run by the Iraqi intelligence service near the town of al-Khalis, 40 miles northeast of Baghdad.

Most of the volunteers are Islamic activists who belong to pan-Arab groups that maintain close ties with Saddam's regime, the dissidents said on condition of anonymity.

The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera satellite television station reported Saturday that a group of Arab volunteers was being trained in urban warfare in a camp near Baghdad.

Al-Jazeera said its Baghdad-based reporter had visited a camp, some 15 miles northeast of the Iraqi capital, and interviewed several Arab trainees, who said they were ready for "martyrdom," a euphemism for suicide attacks.

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the United States has no information that would corroborate reports of Iraqi intelligence training suicide bombers at camps northeast of Baghdad, or anywhere else.

Many Muslims believe that participating with Iraqis in a possible war against invading U.S. forces is a religious duty. However, many Muslim scholars say suicide is against Islamic teachings.

An Egyptian volunteer who identified himself only as Abu Abd al-Rahman said he traveled to Iraq secretly, leaving behind his wife and children, to join the camp. He told Al-Jazeera his venture was a "God-blessed martyrdom-seeking mission."

"We seek God's satisfaction. We seek victory first, and martyrdom in the cause of God second. You are well aware of what is happening against Iraq. This is clearly an injustice against an Arab, Muslim country," he said.

Asked about his three children, Abu Abd al-Rahman said: "God will take care of them, and anyone who is taken care of by God will not be forgotten."

Another volunteer identified as a Libyan called al-Sunusi told Al-Jazeera the volunteers hate the Bush administration, which he says, represents evil.

"I am not afraid. I am not afraid. I came here to carry out jihad (holy war) against the U.S. arrogance," he said.

A Syrian mosque preacher who gave his name as Abu Izz al-Din said he came to Iraq to attain his "goal of martyrdom."

"No nation can attain the weapon of martyrdom seekers, regardless of the technological and scientific advancement they might have," he said. "The weapon of martyrdom-seekers is special to the Muslim nation. We will be able to confront them with this weapon, God willing."

Diyar al-Umari, an Al-Jazeera reporter who said he visited the camp on a tour organized by the Iraqi government, described the volunteers as coming from a number of countries and political movements.

"The fighters here say that the weapons of the United States and Britain may be lethal, but they are martyrdom-seekers. In this case, they say, the U.S. forces may confront a case that is very unusual to them," al-Umari reported. "Those martyrdom-seekers aspire to change the shape of the looming war."

U.S. officials accuse Saddam of harboring weapons of mass destruction and have threatened to forcefully disarm him. The Bush administration also claims that Iraq maintains ties with radical organizations including groups with links to Osama bin Laden's terrorist network al-Qaida.

Saddam rejects the accusations and any link with bin Laden or al-Qaida.
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This is stinking stange...the article is completely GONE.
Hmmm. The link is working for me.
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Good Lord. Shades of the Crusades, the Middle Ages and general hatred.........sad.
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By SALAH NASRAWI
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Tuesday, March 11, 2003; 2:27 PM


Saddam Hussein has opened a training camp for Arab volunteers willing to carry out suicide bombings against U.S. forces in case they invade Iraq, Arab media and Iraqi dissidents said Tuesday.

The dissidents, speaking by telephone from Jordan, said scores of Arab volunteers have gone to a special camp run by the Iraqi intelligence service near the town of al-Khalis, 40 miles northeast of Baghdad.

Most of the volunteers are Islamic activists who belong to pan-Arab groups that maintain close ties with Saddam's regime, the dissidents said on condition of anonymity.

The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera satellite television station reported Saturday that a group of Arab volunteers was being trained in urban warfare in a camp near Baghdad.

The station said its Baghdad-based reporter had visited a camp, some 15 miles northeast of the Iraqi capital, and interviewed several Arab trainees, who said they were ready for "martyrdom," a euphemism for suicide attacks.

Many Muslims believe that participating with Iraqis in a possible war against invading U.S. forces is a religious duty, but such a camp is believed to be unprecedented in Iraq.

An Egyptian volunteer who identified himself only as Abu Abd al-Rahman said he traveled to Iraq secretly, leaving behind his wife and children, to join the camp. He told Al-Jazeera his venture was a "God-blessed martyrdom-seeking mission."

"We seek God's satisfaction. We seek victory first, and martyrdom in the cause of God second. You are well aware of what is happening against Iraq. This is clearly an injustice against an Arab, Muslim country," he said.

Asked about his three children, Abu Abd al-Rahman said: "God will take care of them, and anyone who is taken care of by God will not be forgotten."

Another volunteer identified as a Libyan called al-Sunusi told Al-Jazeera the volunteers hate the Bush administration, which he says, represents evil.

"I am not afraid. I am not afraid. I came here to carry out jihad (holy war) against the U.S. arrogance," he said.

A Syrian mosque preacher who gave his name as Abu Izz al-Din said he came to Iraq to attain his "goal of martyrdom."

"No nation can attain the weapon of martyrdom seekers, regardless of the technological and scientific advancement they might have," he said. "The weapon of martyrdom-seekers is special to the Muslim nation. We will be able to confront them with this weapon, God willing."

Diyar al-Umari, an Al-Jazeera reporter who said he visited the camp on a tour organized by the Iraqi government, described the volunteers as coming from a number of countries and political movements.

"The fighters here say that the weapons of the United States and Britain may be lethal, but they are martyrdom-seekers. In this case, they say, the U.S. forces may confront a case that is very unusual to them," al-Umari reported. "Those martyrdom-seekers aspire to change the shape of the looming war."

U.S. officials accuse Saddam of harboring weapons of mass destruction and have threatened to forcefully disarm him. The Bush administration also claims that Iraq maintains ties with radical organizations including groups with links to Osama bin Laden's terrorist network al-Qaida.

Saddam rejects the accusations and any link with bin Laden, al-Qaida or a Kurdish extremist group believed connected to the terror network.

On Monday, the highest authority in the Sunni Islamic world, the Islamic Research Center at Cairo's Al-Azhar University, declared that war against Iraq will be a "new crusade" compelling every Muslim to perform "jihad."

While opposition to a war against Iraq is strong in the Arab world, many Muslim scholars say suicide is against Islamic teachings.

© 2003 The Associated Press
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So, would there be a way to prevent such cruelties happening on U.S. territory? Does your President care about Americans worrying for the security in their homeland? Does he care about letters from U.S. Mil. Veterans, high officials? Does he care about tens of thousands of civilians dying in Iraq? About fucking up diplomacy with countries who have been good partners for decades?

I don´t see him giving a shit. But, well, its your President. Be proud, America.
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So, would there be a way to prevent such cruelties happening on U.S. territory?
Yes, I think he does and I think that his actions reflect his attempt at doing that.

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Does your President care about Americans worrying for the security in their homeland?
Yes, I think he does and I think that his actions reflect his attempt at doing that.

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Does he care about letters from U.S. Mil. Veterans, high officials?
What does this have to do with suicide bombers, the topic of this thread?


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Does he care about tens of thousands of civilians dying in Iraq?
What does this have to do with suicide bombers? Other than maybe an attempt at deflecting responsibility from Saddam and demonizing GW BUSH?

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About fucking up diplomacy with countries who have been good partners for decades?
And France, Germany, and Russia have not contributed to fucking this situation up? Should I list how each has contributed to the failure of sanctions? How about this has nothing to do with the article posted.


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I don´t see him giving a shit. But, well, its your President. Be proud, America.

It's a shame you don't seem to give a shit that Saddam's threatening suicide bombers as being bad. Instead you continue to focus on Bush, and neglect the issues.
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So, would there be a way to prevent such cruelties happening on U.S. territory? Does your President care about Americans worrying for the security in their homeland? Does he care about letters from U.S. Mil. Veterans, high officials? Does he care about tens of thousands of civilians dying in Iraq? About fucking up diplomacy with countries who have been good partners for decades?

I don´t see him giving a shit. But, well, its your President. Be proud, America.

Personally, I'm disgusted with my government. I'm one embarrassed American. I didn't vote for the .
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Yes, I think he does and I think that his actions reflect his attempt at doing that.

Yes, I think he does and I think that his actions reflect his attempt at doing that.

What does this have to do with suicide bombers, the topic of this thread?

What does this have to do with suicide bombers? Other than maybe an attempt at deflecting responsibility from Saddam and demonizing GW BUSH?

And France, Germany, and Russia have not contributed to fucking this situation up? Should I list how each has contributed to the failure of sanctions? How about this has nothing to do with the article posted.

It's a shame you don't seem to give a shit that Saddam's threatening suicide bombers as being bad. Instead you continue to focus on Bush, and neglect the issues.
And so what, Dreadsox? Come on, sure suicide bombers are bad. Did I say I think they´re great or what.

I´m not neglecting the issues. The issue would be that Bush doesn´t go to war. If some extreme criminal idiot extremists think they are gonna do revenge and carry out their own jihad on U.S. territory you will not stop them, Dreadsox, and Bush won´t stop them either.

What do Bushs actions reflect? You think he prevents those cruelties by going to war? Congratulations for your reality approach. Very Martin Luther King - like. Oops, I will leave out a personal sentence here.

What does Bush do for his fellow countrymen except of rising the fear by using his huge propaganda machine? Dreadsox... listen... I am talking to Americans who say they have fear every time they see a plane up in the sky. What kind of freaking horror world are you living in? Yes, there was 9/11, but is that a reason to always fear, fear, fear? And what does Bush do against the fear? Does he try to help American citizens by saying "Well, folks we live in hard times, its a dangerous world, but its gonna be alright, don´t worry"? No. The very contrary. He pumps up the fear. He wants his nation to live in fear, in my humble opinion, so he can get away with everything he does. He ruins original American values by implemeting the so-called Patriot Act. Et cetera.

Yeah, f***ing suicide bombers. What the hell do you expect? Sure I think they are bastards. It is very disturbing, personally, that you seem to assume I am not against them. "An attempt at deflecting responsibility" - great. But whatever.

Nope, I don´t think France Germany and Russia have contributed big time to f***ing the situation up. Sure, its all in their economic self interest. But at least they favor a peaceful diplomatic situation.

Back to the suicide bombers. I hope they´ll not do dirty bombs. No doubt that Saddam and the a** of a suicide bomber are responsible.

No doubt that your President likes the limbo, though. Hell, what should I expect of a man who launches a pre emptive attack? Who, before of being elected, favoured death penalty and still does? Who has failed to implement decent gun control laws? Who digs getting a mental orgasm over Star Wars? Its all bloody, bloody, his hands are full of blood.

In my humble opinion.

Thanks for telling me I am neglecting the issues. "An attempt at deflecting personality" - thats way personal.
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I have to say....Thank you for including something on the topic of this thread.
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No problem. In fact the topic is "God Blessed Martyrdom Seeking Mission". Take out Martyrdom Seeking, Bush´s actions are God Blessed Freedom Missions, aren´t they. You know what? You have used the word "demonizing" on me.

Thats interesting. If it wasn´t off topic for your ach-so-estimated thread, we could do a research on how American language and the education of language has changed since Bush announced the "Axis of Evil".
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