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Old 08-11-2005, 04:40 AM   #61
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Gas prices here figure out to be close to $5 a gallon. And this is one of the poorest countries in the world. Most people don't make that much money in a week! What do they do? Walk a lot in the blazing sun, balancing heavy loads on their heads...take donkey carts when available or crowded dirty dilapidated minivans converted into communal transport...people, chickens, goats and children stuffed into a small space so tight one can barely breathe. And they pay higher prices for the all the goods that are imported into this landlocked country via the roads. I'm sorry but when I try to feel sorry for an increase in gas prices the richest most luxurious country in the world when it is significantly more expensive in one of the poorest, I have a hard time summoning up the pity.
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I think we're all kidding ourselves to some extent... ie. the idea that "I don't drive a car so it doesn't affect me" and that sort of thing. Hell, I drive very little myself, but if oil stays high in price (which it will), it will affect everything that relies on oil:

production of food
transportation of food
plastics and any products that involve plastics

and so on. So yeah, it's unnerving.
You're right, and I would argue that here in the States, we're too dependent on trucking as a whole. We want every little thing, like, yesterday. We have perfectly good railroads and could move use ONE train to move the same amount that 100 trucks would.
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We want every little thing, like, yesterday.
If that's the case, we won't truck it. We'll fly it.

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Gas prices here figure out to be close to $5 a gallon. And this is one of the poorest countries in the world. Most people don't make that much money in a week! What do they do? Walk a lot in the blazing sun, balancing heavy loads on their heads...take donkey carts when available or crowded dirty dilapidated minivans converted into communal transport...people, chickens, goats and children stuffed into a small space so tight one can barely breathe. And they pay higher prices for the all the goods that are imported into this landlocked country via the roads. I'm sorry but when I try to feel sorry for an increase in gas prices the richest most luxurious country in the world when it is significantly more expensive in one of the poorest, I have a hard time summoning up the pity.
I never thought of it this way. However I also feel that when petrol prices rise it is always those on the lowest incomes who suffer the most - whatever country it may be in. Those driving the big petrol guzzling cars and 4x4's probably don't really feel the pinch and unfortunately I doubt petrol price rises will make them buy more fuel efficient cars.
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I don't think it's a matter of wanting everything, like, yesterday. I'm just talking about the basic business of getting food and goods where they're needed when they're needed. The sort of stuff that makes everyday life possible. It's the only reason why in a western country like Australia or the US, a drought doesn't mean a famine.
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NBCrusader, would that book be "Saudi Arabia Exposed" by John Bradely?

A great read if you want the real skinny on that benighted country. He was the only Western journalist of the past 10 yrs who was allowed unrestricted access all over thecountry to go anywhere he wanted and talk to anybody he liked, without a "minder"--you knowm the offical tagalong Gov't wachdog a lot of dicatorial regimes have for journos or tourists. He mingled with everyone. Dang, there are not one but two "royal families", and they hate each other...
No, it is "Twilight in the Desert" by Matthew R. Simmons

He has reviewed technical papers from Aramco and Saudi Aramco over the decades. It appears that the lion's share of oil from Saudi comes from one giant oil field called "Ghawar". From the earliest days, water injection was used to maintain pumping pressure. Not good for long term oil production.
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The rise in prices of crude oil should be a concern for everyone. A lot of places, especially in the northeast, use oil to heat their homes in the winter. As prices keep going up, it becomes more difficult for lower-income families to afford the oil and stay warm. If this trend continues, it could have serious consequences.
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If you lived in my city, you'd have to have a car. There is no public transportation.
and don't forget there are lots of places where you must have a car. With a 40 mile commute, I'm suffering. I blame the government. I bet Bush is getting kickback.
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Gas is just under $2.50/gal here now (northeastern Pennsylvania). I put my little sister on notice that I'm coming home this weekend and taking my bike back.
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petrol here has hit 90.9pence per litre. which is US$1.64

PER LITRE
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Government gives us tax cuts.
Government taxes the shit out of gas.
Government gets our money, one way or another.
People are stupid enough to vote for Bush.
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petrol here has hit 90.9pence per litre. which is US$1.64

PER LITRE
I just did the math on that one.... drum roll please

$6.21 per gallon!
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EEk!
I would definitely be rocking it on a vespa!
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Government gives us tax cuts.
Government taxes the shit out of gas.
Government gets our money, one way or another.
People are stupid enough to vote for Bush.
When was the last federal gas tax hike? I've looked around and it appears that the last one was in 1993. The taxes on gasoline by the Federal Government is 18.4 cents per gallon. The state to state gas taxes vary. The hike in 1993 was about 4 cents per gallon.

So, the Bush tax cuts and the federal gas tax have nothing to do with each other, because the gas tax has not grown. So whether you buy 10 gallons of gas at $2 or $10 a gallon, you still pay the federal government $1.84.
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