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Old 04-10-2003, 05:11 PM   #16
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the 30+ nations who were members of the coalition should get first crack at any sort of business deal with the new iraqi government, once it's put into place. to give those contracts to france would be insult to every person who served in this war.

if i was over there risking my neck only to come back home to find that the people who did everything in their power to stop the liberation from happening are now benefiting from my work, i'd be a pretty fking pissed off person.

i'd call chirac a cocker, but that would be an insult to all the cocker's around the world...
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I ing hate racism, that includes against the French ect.
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Interesting, because anything I see here, is not an example of racism. I hate how that term is thrown around and missused.

Anyway, my thoughts, and this may shock you.

France and Russia should have nothing to do with the establishment of the new governement.

I also am a firm believer that all contracts and obligations, debts, ect. that Iraq had prior to their liberation should be honored, including any contracts with Russia and oil development.
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The New American Webster Dictionary:
racism - n. prejudice against certain peoples.
That includes because of nationality. It doesn't mean they have to be a different color.

I think the UN should administer Iraq with UN peacekeeping forces. But Bush didn't go for the control of the oil for nothing.
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racism would be hating the french because of who they are... hating their blowhard of a president because of his actions is not racsim

Jacques Chirac was one of the leaders in the call for action in Kosovo to help oust Milosevic. He avoided the United Nations, which he feared would not support the action, by going to NATO. The United States under the Clinton Administration were one of the first to jump on board with Chirac, supporting the idea and lending troops to the effort.
Now America comes around asking for the same favor, and Chirac sticks his nose at us. Gee... I can't imagine why...



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He also followed his peoples wishes unlike Blair.
Should I post the picture of Rumsfeld and Sadaam again?
I think these were all taken around that time.
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Chirac's actions still don't justify hating the French.

After all, do Hussein's actions justify hating the Iraqis?

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he followed his wallet... you can yell at bush and blair with the "war for oil" argument all you want, and maybe you're right, maybe you're wrong... but don't try to deny the fact that chirac wanted "no war for oil." france and germany stood to profit the most if saddam was allowed to stay in power.
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the one's who support saddam, yes... the majority who don't, no.
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the 30+ nations who were members of the coalition should get first crack at any sort of business deal with the new iraqi government, once it's put into place. to give those contracts to france would be insult to every person who served in this war.

if i was over there risking my neck only to come back home to find that the people who did everything in their power to stop the liberation from happening are now benefiting from my work, i'd be a pretty fking pissed off person.
As has been said, the ones that now should be benefitting are the Iraqis. And doesn't the US always claim that 'free trade' is in the consumer's best interest?

Whoever get's the contracts for rebuilding Iraq, I hope they at least employ as many Iraqis as possible and share their technology.
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The New American Webster Dictionary:
racism - n. prejudice against certain peoples.
That includes because of nationality. It doesn't mean they have to be a different color.

I think the UN should administer Iraq with UN peacekeeping forces. But Bush didn't go for the control of the oil for nothing.
Right..LOL Wow, that is creative. THis is without me adding anything.


Here is Websters Dictionary Online

Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
Date: 1936
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

Main Entry: 1prej·u·dice
Pronunciation: 'pre-j&-d&s
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French, from Latin praejudicium previous judgment, damage, from prae- + judicium judgment -- more at JUDICIAL
Date: 13th century
1 : injury or damage resulting from some judgment or action of another in disregard of one's rights; especially : detriment to one's legal rights or claims
2 a (1) : preconceived judgment or opinion (2) : an adverse opinion or leaning formed without just grounds or before sufficient knowledge b : an instance of such judgment or opinion c : an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics


I think that given the war was directly the fault of France and Russia not willing to work through the UN to enforce the Sanctions, it is neither irrational, or hostile, to suspect that they have ulterior motives for wanting to be part of the rebuilding/creating of the Iraqi Government.

Now I understand, you were perhaps calling me a racist when I was posting the information about France?
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Now I understand, you were perhaps calling me a racist when I was posting the information about France?
That's really what it says.
Secondly, no, it was in response to some extremely nasty comments made in this thread. Things I have heard said of other nationalities and races.
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I think that given the war was directly the fault of France and Russia not willing to work through the UN to enforce the Sanctions,
Um, ok, then I think Stalin was directly the fault of the U.S. not willing to work through the UN to enforce communism.

Donīt exaggerate, man. Keep it at a certain level, please. Russia and France were NOT sending troops to this war, the U.S. and U.K. were. So who is responsible for this war?

Is a little plain rational argumentation too much? Donīt come to tell me there was no other chance because the U.S. had to pre- emptively defend itself against breached sanctions by breaching international law. Thats just a weak argument, Dread, and you know it.

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You mean that you disagree with my belief that for 12 years France and Russia have been undermining the sanctions is wrong? Are you certain? Who has opposed stregnthening sanctions? Who violated the resolution that banned flights directly into Baghdad?

I am sorry, but I wholeheartedly believe what I posted. These two nations have been much less than cooperative at the UN. 12 years to work it out is long enough.

By the way...Over 260,000 dead from the sanctions that Russia and France have benfitted from so they can get good oil.

I stand by my beliefs.

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Re: Re: France, Germany react to overthrow of Saddam

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1. What the fuck do we do now?

3. What the fuck do we do now?
You could attack another country. Thereīs Iran, Syria, North Korea on your list. If Egypt mixes too much into your affairs, go for it. If Lybia has a problem with that, you could ask Berlusconi to help you. His troops are near.
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