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Old 09-01-2005, 06:02 AM   #1
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Foreign Aid (hurricane katrina)

I DO NOT want to turn this into a bashing thread, but after reading this editorial in the USA Today ...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion...urricane_x.htm

.. it got me to wondering if anyone know's of aid proposed/received from international governments?

I do not want to make any comparisons between the Tsunami and this hurricane. Each was tragic in it's own way, and it will take a long time to fully recover.

I would also like to note that I did donate to the Red Cross, and would urge everyone to do the same.

Thanks for the responses..
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A friend and I were having the same conversation today.... where's the response from the rest of the world?
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So far, I have heard no offer of assistance from any other country or international aid organization based outside the USA. Given the incredible devastation of the area, that fact gives one some things to think about:

• Is our federal government too proud to accept foreign aid or too afraid to ask for it?

• Is it that our so-called allies don't believe the damage is as great as it is and that the United States does not need any outside help?

More than likely, no one really cares about the United States and its problems.
I think you'll find that a lot of people (including myself) care a great deal about the US' problems but think that it is foolish to send financial help to the richest country in the world. I'm all for sending in specialist equipement or engineers to help out if needed, but the US seems well equiped to do so themselves (correct me if I'm wrong). I think the money could be spent better than to send it to countries who can take care of themselves just to prove their allegiance.

Also, I know of a team of Dutch flood defence engineers who came back from New Orleans only last week to assess the flood defences. Unfortunately it was too late to do anything.
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I find the editorial to be full of baseless assumptions and typical "everyone hates us" rhetoric.

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More than likely, no one really cares about the United States and its problems.
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never said i agreed with the editorial.

Everyone has opinions, I just happened to read it. Like many people I am still learning new things about the destruction.

This is the first article (editorial) i saw that asked the question "have international governments offered help".

Thats the only reason i listed it..

Also i've found that
1) venezuela offered emergency funds and fuel
2) saudi arabia is increasing oil production
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2) saudi arabia is increasing oil production
Now all of a sudden, an increase in oil production is possible?
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I agree sulawesigirl4. I said in another thread that the US is basically the Bill Gates of the world. The contributions of other countries would not even match the resources of the US. Many countries have offered assistance, Canada, offered immediate assistance, of course, the media is not reporting this either mainly because they have more important issues to discuss. Plus, the management of this disaster has been just so disappointing that it is actually contributing to further problems instead of solving them. The Gulf Coast ain't the east coast of Indonesia, foreign aid is coming but it won't be to the extent given to the tsunami.
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Plus, the management of this disaster has been just so disappointing that it is actually contributing to further problems instead of solving them.
Yeah it seems that lack of preparations and bad management seem to be bigger problems than lack of resources.
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i'm going to take issue with the last two statements... lack of preparations and bad management.

every person in every area effected by this storm was warned by the local and federal governments, through the media, that this storm had the potential to cause a disaster like we've never seen before. the majority of the people in the area heeded that warning and left town. what else would you have had them do besides put out warnings days in advance?

as for the response it's self...

first off, in the hours imediately following the hurricaine, new orleans was celebrating what they thought was a near miss. the city wasn't flooded... damage was limited to downed trees and power lines, a few toppled bricks and roof damage. the floods didn't start to become a serious problem until the next morning... after the hurricaine had already passed and the levees busted open.

the only way they could have stopped this disaster from happening is to hop in our deloreans, hit 88 miles per hour and go back 250 years in time and tell the people who first settled the city of new orleans that it probably isn't a good idea to build a city below sea level.

this was a disaster that was bound to happen eventually. everyone in new orleans new it was always a possability. it's like people in southern california... if they live there, they know there's a risk that "the big one" could come one day. well, people in new orleans knew that they lived in a city that was built below sea level, and they were surrounded on all sides by water. they had feared this event many times before, and every time they dodged the bullet. this time they weren't so lucky.
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I can't find an article to support this, but a friend of mine told me today that France, Canada, Honduras, and Japan want to send aid but Bush has declined their help.

I just want to make clear that I don't believe everyone should be clamboring to help us, but for Bush to supposedly flat out refuse it seems a bit pigheaded on his part.

I'm going to go look for an article right now before I get bashed to death here.
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I can't find an article to support this, but a friend of mine told me today that France, Canada, Honduras, and Japan want to send aid but Bush has declined their help.

I just want to make clear that I don't believe everyone should be clamboring to help us, but for Bush to supposedly flat out refuse it seems a bit pigheaded on his part.

I'm going to go look for an article right now before I get bashed to death here.
Russia and The Netherlands have also offered help but no decision has been made about accepting it yet.
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I found this article yesterday on Yahoo! News.

[q]Katrina Prompts Global Support for Victims

By DANICA KIRKA, Associated Press Writer 48 minutes ago

VIENNA, Austria - From papal prayers to telegrams from China, the world reacted with an outpouring of compassion Wednesday for the victims of Hurricane Katrina in messages tinged by shock that a disaster of this scale could occur in the United States.
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Islamic extremists rejoiced in America's misfortune, giving the storm a military rank and declaring in Internet chatter that "Private" Katrina had joined the global jihad, or holy war. With "God's help," they declared, oil prices would hit $100 a barrel this year.

Venezuela's government, which has had tense relations with Washington, offered humanitarian aid and fuel if requested.

The storm was seen as an equalizer — proof that any country, weak or strong, can be victimized by a natural disaster. Images of flood-ravaged New Orleans earned particular sympathy in central Europe, where dozens died in raging floodwaters only days ago.

"Nature proved that no matter how rich and economically developed you are, you can't fight it," says Danut Afasei, a local official in Romania's Harghita county, where flooding killed 13 people last week.

Throughout Europe, concerned citizens lamented the loss of life and the damage caused to New Orleans, often described as one of North America's most "European" cities.

French
President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor
Gerhard Schroeder sent messages of sympathy to
President Bush. Chirac, who has famously quarreled with Bush over the
Iraq war, addressed this letter, "Dear George."

Pope Benedict XVI said he was praying for victims of the "tragic" hurricane while China's President
Hu Jintao expressed his "belief that that the American people will definitely overcome the natural disaster and rebuild their beautiful homeland."

Britain's
Queen Elizabeth II also sent a message to Bush saying she was "deeply shocked and saddened" at the devastation caused by the hurricane and expressing her condolences, "especially to the families of those who have lost their lives, to the injured and to all who have been affected by this terrible disaster."

The U.S. Embassy in Bern, Switzerland — a capital at the foot of the Alps hit by flooding last week — said calls were rushing in from Swiss individuals and institutions looking for a way to donate to relief efforts.

"We are getting calls from the Swiss public looking to express their condolences, (and) people are also asking for an account number where they can make donations," said spokesman Daniel Wendell.

The Internet-edition Vienna daily Der Standard had recorded 820 postings commenting on a front-page story on the hurricane. In one of the postings, signature "Emerald" asked where money could be donated to the victims, but the question sparked a debate about whether a rich country like the United States needed such aid.

In response, one posting, from signature "far out," argued that hurricane victims who are poor still needed support.

Amid the sympathy, however, there was criticism.

As U.S. military engineers struggled to shore up breached levees, experts in the Netherlands expressed surprise that New Orleans' flood systems failed to restrain the raging waters.

With half of the country's population of 16 million living below sea level, the Netherlands prepared for a "perfect storm" soon after floods in 1953 killed 2,000 people. The nation installed massive hydraulic sea walls.

"I don't want to sound overly critical, but it's hard to imagine that (the damage caused by Katrina) could happen in a Western country," said Ted Sluijter, spokesman for the park where the sea walls are exhibited. "It seemed like plans for protection and evacuation weren't really in place, and once it happened, the coordination was on loose hinges."

The sympathy was muted in some corners by a sense that the United States reaped what it sowed, since the country is seen as the main contributor to global warming.

Joern Ehlers, a spokesman for World Wildlife Fund Germany, said global warming had increased the intensity of hurricanes.

"The Americans have a big impact on the greenhouse effect," Ehlers said.

But Harlan L. Watson, the U.S. envoy for negotiations on climate change, denied any link between global warming and the strength of storms.

"Our scientists are telling us right now that there's not a linkage," he said in Geneva. "I'll rely on their information."

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Associated Press Writers Susanna Loof in Vienna, Bradley S. Klapper in Geneva, Alexander S. Higgins in Geneva, Anca Teodorescu in Bucharest, Romania and Toby Sterling in Amsterdam, Netherlands, contributed to this story.[/q]
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(a) What do you think the US needs?
(b) How long do you think it would take to get there?

There is a big difference between this and the tsunami effected countries. Remember even with the tsunami, India said they didn't need anyones help, direct it elsewhere. It looks like what the area needs first and foremost is manpower, military etc. The US certainly has that in spades and obviously no-one can get it there quicker. As for money, the US would not need government to government donations - that's pretty obvious. Governments pointing their own citizens towards organisations such as the Red Cross (as most are) is what is needed at this stage.
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You know we always could use people and supplies...not just money. Mississippi is an extremely poor state, and Louisiana isn't much better off. We may be rich but our pockets have an end at some point.
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[q]Germany Prepared to Help the US

Germany has shown sympathy for the regions affected by Katrina



While US emergency teams are working around the clock in the mostly submerged city of New Orleans, the German government, although highly critical of US environmental policies, is offering its help.

The German government is "ready to offer its help and support toward controlling this appalling natural catastrophe and remedying its consequences," said Fischer.

"We must show solidarity for those affected," he added

The German Foreign Ministry has set up a 24-hour hotline in an attempt to coordinate aid efforts (+49-30-5000-2000). The German embassy in Washington, D.C. is also constantly updating the information on its Web site.

Germany's Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer said Thursday there were no German casualties in the areas affected by hurricane Katrina. The German embassy in Washington and German consulates in Houston and Atlanta are closely cooperating with US authorities on helping German citizens and looking for the missing persons.

Lengthy recovery

US President George W. Bush said Wednesday it would take years to recover from the deadly ravages of hurricane Katrina, which he branded one of the worst national disasters in US history.

President Bush looking out the window of Air Force One Bush made the comments after cutting short his vacation in Texas and flying over the stricken area in Air Force One before returning to Washington to oversee the massive rescue and relief effort.

"We're dealing with one of the worst natural disasters in our nation's history," he told reporters in the White House Rose Garden.

"This recovery will take years," he said, pledging the full support of the US government in rescuing and giving assistance to the tens of thousands people made homeless by the storm.

The president laid down three priorities: saving lives and evacuating endangered survivors, providing adequate food, water and shelter for dislocated people and launching a comprehensive recovery effort.

Bush's environmental policy under attack

Jürgen Trittin, Germany's minister of the environment, is not known for his diplomatic skills German Enviroment Minister Jürgen Trittin, in an editorial published in the daily Frankfurter Rundschau on Tuesday, sharply criticizing President Bush for "closing his eyes" to environmental problems and the dangers of global warming. American readers responded in anger to the chastising editorial, which offered no words of sympathy for the United States, but the minister has remained unapologetic.

Trittin's spokesman, Michael Schrören, said on Wednesday that "Trittin's comments were true and he wrote what he meant."

Trittin, however, is not the only critic of the US environmental policy in Germany. Reinhard Bütikofer, who heads the German Green party, of which Foreign Minister is also a member, called Bush an "eco-reactionary."

"Bush conducts his environmental policy from the perspective of oil and nuclear lobby," said Bütikofer.

Karsten Voigt of the German foreign ministry Karsten Voigt, foreign ministry coordinator for German-US cooperation, tried to strike a balance between being critical of US policies and showing sympathy for the United States by saying that Tritten's comments were accurate but badly timed.

"One should be more diplomatic than Mr. Trittin was, but there is general consensus in Germany that climate change is a major issue," Voigt said.

Too rich to ask for help?

Germans donated in record numbers in the aftermath of the Asian tsunami eight months ago. But the situation is different today: the US government has made no call for international aid, and German charity organizations have so far not pledged financial aid for the hurricane-affected regions.

"We are at the moment planning no call for help," said Fredrik Barkenhammar of the German Red Cross.

According to Barkenhammar, the American Red Cross is financially very well positioned and has, therefore, not asked for outside help. Should the German Red Cross receive any public or private donations for the American disaster relief, the money will be transferred to the US Red Cross, he said.

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Not exactly a catastrophe?

Damage caused by hurricane Katrina will certainly have international consequences, according to Swiss Re, the world's second largest insurance company. The firm said Wednesday that Katrina would cost the insurance industry alone about $20 billion (16.2 billion euros).

Many believe, however, that the scope of the disaster is such that the US government, which has one of the most sophisticated crisis management systems in the world at its disposal, should be able to respond to it adequately.

"Catastrophe means that a society cannot cope with a situation," said Achim Reinke, spokesperson for the Catholic aid organization Caritas.

"We need to stay balanced," Reinke said, pointing out that there are other crisis regions in the world, like Sudan's war-torn Darfur region, that shouldn't be forgotten.


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