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Old 03-31-2005, 12:32 PM   #1
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Eye for an Eye

I have been thinking lately, what is so wrong with this philosophy for law (Hammurabi's code)?

It seems to me like it is truly justice at its best. If you do something, you will get the exact same thing in return. Kill someone and you will be killed.

I think the reason why crimes keep happening is because the punishments aren't severe enough, especially in third world countries like mine.

Why is this not fair?

(Please no smart-ass comments about how we're in 2005 and whatnot. I want real arguments as to why Eye for an eye isn't fair.)
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I don’t know about Honduras.

If your country has the death penalty.

The United States has 295 million people and errors have been found in our legal system.
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"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind" - Mohandas Gandhi



how do you prove that killing is wrong by killing someone?

the point is to be better than the criminal, not sink to his level.
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:40 PM   #6
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"An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind" - Mohandas Gandhi
lol! I was going to post that quote too. I agree. no more words needed.
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Here's something for the Christian folk:

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well. If anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well. Should anyone press you into service for one mile, go with him for two miles. Give to the one who asks of you, and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- Matthew 5:38-48.

Not that I expect any modern Christians to actually do this anymore.

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Because nothing is black and white. Many a man have been accused and sentenced for crimes they didn't commit. Some even on death row, who knows how many have actually been executed for they close the case permanatly after death. We're a fallible species with a fallible system therefore a guarantee for justice is never there.
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No offense Melon, but do you really mean to speak about "all Christians" like that? Do you honestly believe they're all just like the ones you dislike? I might dislike certain people who are defined by a religion or whatever other distinction, but I try to judge them as individuals.

I am a severely flawed and imperfect being, I do the best I can. I think that's all most Christians do. I like to think that's the case.

I don't want to argue w/ you about this, because I understand your feelings as you've expressed them in this forum and I feel for you- I truly do, for what it's worth. I hope I didn't offend you by saying that or anything else I said.
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No offense Melon, but do you really mean to speak about "all Christians" like that? Do you honestly believe they're all just like the ones you dislike? I might dislike certain people who are defined by a religion or whatever other distinction, but I try to judge them as individuals.

I am a severely flawed and imperfect being, I do the best I can. I think that's all most Christians do. I like to think that's the case.

I don't want to argue w/ you about this, because I understand your feelings as you've expressed them in this forum and I feel for you- I truly do, for what it's worth. I hope I didn't offend you by saying that or anything else I said.
You didn't offend at all, so no worries.

Of course, I guess I'm forced to comment on the majority of Christians that I see out there. There are always exceptions, of course, thankfully.

I'm generally quite angry how leftist Christians let the Religious Right monopolize the term "Christian," and twist it into some irrational and intolerant religion.

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the point is to be better than the criminal, not sink to his level.
. Exactly. Ditto BVS's post, too.

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I'm generally quite angry how leftist Christians let the Religious Right monopolize the term "Christian," and twist it into some irrational and intolerant religion.
I'm angry about that too, and I do my best to speak out about/against it. I have my "leftist" Christian views that I won't apologize for. I think many Christians do . For me they're in line w/ the teachings of Jesus as I interpret them and know/feel them in my heart.

Keeping my faith and certain beliefs I hold as a Catholic certainly doesn't mean I endorse everything the church says and does, not by a long shot. Anyway that's not what this thread is about, so that's all
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Here's something for the Christian folk:

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, offer no resistance to one who is evil. When someone strikes you on (your) right cheek, turn the other one to him as well. If anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic, hand him your cloak as well. Should anyone press you into service for one mile, go with him for two miles. Give to the one who asks of you, and do not turn your back on one who wants to borrow.

"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your heavenly Father, for he makes his sun rise on the bad and the good, and causes rain to fall on the just and the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what recompense will you have? Do not the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brothers only, what is unusual about that? Do not the pagans do the same? So be perfect, just as your heavenly Father is perfect." -- Matthew 5:38-48.

Not that I expect any modern Christians to actually do this anymore.

Melon

Melon has the best point of the thread. Can anyone really call themselves a Christian and ignore this most basic teaching in Christianity?
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Melon has the best point of the thread. Can anyone really call themselves a Christian and ignore this most basic teaching in Christianity?
You are entering dangerous territory here. Playing arbiter or who is really a Christian is best avoided.
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