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Old 09-24-2009, 11:31 AM   #751
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Congressman: Gay Marriage Is "Socialism"

The push for marriage equality is part of a radical socialist agenda, according to Congressman Steven King, a Republican from Iowa.
By Julie Bolcer | Advocate.com

In an extreme formulation of a tired antigay argument, Rep. Steve King of Iowa said that same-sex marriage is a “purely socialist concept” during an interview with a conservative radio network on Wednesday.

King, a Republican who represents the 5th congressional district, spoke with Greg Corumbus of Radio America for World Net Daily about his concern that congressional Democrats and the Obama administration are “pushing closer and closer” to repeal of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Unsatisfied with comparing the prospect of same-sex marriage to the legalization of incest, as opponents such as former Senator Rick Santorum have done, King said he wanted to “take this along the rationale even further.”

“If relationships between individuals cannot be prohibited by the state legislature, then there’s no ban that can actually be constitutional that would ban group marriage and it wouldn’t have to be for reasons of, let me say, love or lust, it could be reasons of profitability or avoiding taxes or accessing benefits,” King said.

“So in the end, this is something that has to come with a, if there’s a push for a socialist society, a society where the foundations of individual rights and liberties are undermined and everybody is thrown together living collectively off one pot of resources earned by everyone, this is one of the goals they have to go through is same-sex marriage because it has to plow through marriage in order to get to their goal,” he said.

“Not only is it a radical social idea, it is a purely socialist concept in the final analysis,” King said.
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When history looks back upon this era of American politics we're going to cringe at the social conservatives like we do now at McCarthy or those that supported segregation. We're going to look back at the tea party signs, quotes like this, audio soundbytes of the AM blowhards and know what we did wrong.
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Is there anything that socialism is not?
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“Not only is it a radical social idea, it is a purely socialist concept in the final analysis,” King said.
What a fucking MORON.
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Is regular marriage socialism too?

I'm confused.
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Jesus is Socialism.
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I'm just glad that in CA a Laker can marry one of the Kardashian sisters after dating for one month-possibly for purposes of promoting her TV show and his clothing line or name or whatever. But gay people in loving, committed long term relationships can't get married there. Straight marriage can be capitalism I guess, and that's ok.
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Straight marriage can be capitalism I guess.
That's what it was for the first 1000 years.
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The Texas two-step on gay divorce

By Ellen Goodman | Boston Globe October 9, 2009

I suppose there is something charming about watching conservative politicians in Texas trying so ardently to preserve a same-sex marriage. How else can you explain their passionate opposition to a court ruling last week that would allow a couple legally wed in Massachusetts to be divorced in their state?

This tale of same-sex love and marriage, horse and carriage, and the difficulty of unhitching began in 2006 when two men known as JB and HB were wed with the usual set of hopes and dreams. A year later, one of them was transferred and they moved to Texas. There, the marriage went on the rocks.

Last January, the couple made an amicable agreement to divide their property. But when they went to court to formalize it, Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Republican, leapt in. Since same-sex marriage was banned by a constitutional amendment, he argued, the state couldn’t dissolve a marriage it didn’t recognize.

Judge Tena Callahan saw things differently. Texas, she ruled, could grant divorces to couples legally married in other jurisdictions. Indeed, on this “limited issue’’ of divorce, she said, the state’s four-year-old gay marriage ban violated the federal right to equal protection.

At that point, Abbott swore to appeal the case in order to “defend the traditional definition of marriage.’’ The governor, Rick Perry, and Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, who is running for the Republican nomination against him, were equally full-throated in their attempt to keep JB and HB together till death do them part.

As Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry says, “the irony is that the antigay forces are so opposed to gay relationships they won’t even let us out of them.’’

Let us stipulate that JB and HB did not set out to challenge the ban. Nor did they want to become the poster couple for same-sex divorce. But divorce happens. And one of the strange side effects of the patchwork of gay-straight laws governing marriage is their impact on ending marriage.

Same-sex marriage is now legal in Vermont, Connecticut, Iowa, and Massachusetts. In January, New Hampshire will join the roster. The District of Columbia may well be next if legislation introduced this week passes. And the issue is on the ballot this November in Maine. Meanwhile, 29 states ban it.

Men and women also get married according to state laws, but they are not suddenly single when they cross state borders. Under the principle of comity, their marriage can be recognized - or dissolved - anywhere. This is not necessarily true for gay couples. Indiana and Rhode Island have both denied divorce to gay couples who were married elsewhere, while New Jersey has allowed it. That’s just the beginning.

The refusal of one state to recognize the legal marriage of another state leads to some pretty impractical, unfair, and nutty conclusions. The B’s, for example, would have to move back to Massachusetts for a year just to get divorced.

That’s nothing compared to the scenarios imagined by Northwestern law professor Andrew Koppelman, author of “Same Sex, Different States.’’ On his list? If a man has a husband in Iowa, he might take a wife in Texas without being charged with bigamy. If a married couple from Connecticut has an accident in the Lone Star State, a woman could be barred from her wife’s hospital bedside because she isn’t family.

What we’re seeing are all sorts of potholes on the uneven road to equality. Remember the so-called compromise on gays in the military: “Don’t ask, don’t tell’’? Now, military researchers call it a “costly failure.’’

It’s the law, not gay soldiers, that’s undermining morale. Remember DOMA, the Defense of Marriage Act that created a strange dual citizenship for gay couples - entitled to marriage benefits under some state laws, denied them under federal law? Now, Bob Barr, the former congressman who wrote DOMA, disavows it, and Bill Clinton, the president who signed it, publicly favors gay marriage. There’s a bill to repeal it.

But for sheer perversity, nothing quite beats the current Texas divorce fandango. There, the very people who insist they would like nothing more than to end gay marriage are the ones doing their utmost to keep one gay couple joined in unhappy perpetuity. For better or for worse? That’s an easy call.
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so, i marched this past weekend. beautiful day, big march (75,000 people), it featured several celebrity speakers, was rife with (patient but clear) criticism of Obama, and it took over DC for the day. certainly the 75,000 is dwarfed by the anti-war protests, or the pro-choice march in 2004, or even past gay rights marches.

but certainly 75,000 is colossal compared to the barely 10,000 teabaggers who showed up a few weeks ago. and considering that conservatives claim to be, what, 35% of the country, and the gays are perhaps 5%, give or take, you'd think that Fox News would at least cover it?

'fraid not.

thank goodness we have The Daily Show.

Video: Queer and Loathing in D.C. | The Daily Show | Comedy Central
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Sanctity of Marriage

More of that made up racism:

Interracial Couple Denied Marriage License in Tangipahoa Parish Louisiana

The man was a Dixiecrat until 2008(hmm wonder what happened in 2008) when he switched to the Republican party.
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But he's got a RIGHT to his religious beliefs. Don't force him to go against them.
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The man was a Dixiecrat until 2008(hmm wonder what happened in 2008) when he switched to the Republican party.
Mike Steele became chair of the RNC?
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I'm sure that was it...
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