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Old 08-15-2007, 03:50 PM   #61
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I really don't think he's going to get off easy here. First of all, don't our Federal cases have like a 98% conviction rate? Also, like in dealing with drugs, dog fighting cases aren't made in a day. The authorities have probably had their eyes on him for a looooong time. In a lot of big cities, the PDs have undercover cops getting intel on dog fighting just like they would on drugs, gangs, organized crime rings, etc (probably because all of these activities are usually inter-related).
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:54 PM   #62
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And what the hell is a rape stand? And do I really want to know?
Pit bulls, amstaffs, and other bully breeds are *not* bred for human aggression, but people have historically selected in favor of dog aggression (whether their motives are protection, tenacity, dog fighting...). The rape stand is used for mating b/c trying to tie two dog aggressive dogs would result in injuries from a fight breaking out or injuries to genitalia from breaking a tie.
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:59 PM   #63
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^ Ah OK. I understand the aggression issue, and I was under the impression that there was a lot of artificial insemination when breeding the bully types.
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^ That's what I would hope, but I guess if you're only breeding for fighting (thus, to make yourself money at the expense of another's life), why spend all the extra on artificial insemination? Also, a lot of breeders (of all animals) prefer to do things naturally.
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He's toast:

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sp...vick_0815.html

Apparently part of the superceding indictment coming down is going to include organized gambling. That will get him a lifetime ban from the NFL in all likelyhood more than the actual dog fighting would.

Of course, if the superceding indictment is a RICO as expected, old Ron Mexico may just be too old to play football once he gets out of prison.
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I really don't think he's going to get off easy here. First of all, don't our Federal cases have like a 98% conviction rate? Also, like in dealing with drugs, dog fighting cases aren't made in a day. The authorities have probably had their eyes on him for a looooong time. In a lot of big cities, the PDs have undercover cops getting intel on dog fighting just like they would on drugs, gangs, organized crime rings, etc (probably because all of these activities are usually inter-related).
Exactly. Wasn't his involvement with dog fighting first brought up in 2006?
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What do you mean by this?
Vick has gone through how many QB coaches? How many different offenses?

It seems every year is the year that Mike makes the transistion to a good NFL QB, not a great running QB.

It's been speculated that he's never really put in the effort to work on his passing skills, and therefore, a lot of the playbook is thrown out because he can't make the reads. Vick isn't getting any younger, and when his legs go, so does his value to the game. It's really too bad from football spectator view, as Vick was one of the most exciting players to watch.

Also, ESPN has pretty much avoided the topic of Gambling in this case. The NFL has just now started making comments about it. The NFL is more concerned with this aspect than it is the dog fighting. If Mike is convicted of the gambling, you can probably bet that he will receive a life time band from the game....
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You just really have to be worried that people that enjoy this stuff live amomg us
I learned that early. When I was a kid, some of my classmates would actually delight in shooting squirrels after school with their pellet guns. It's pretty sad when you have more respect for a squirrel than for a fellow human being. Personally, I think it all starts from youth, and just how kids are raised. This person is clearly an asshole, but chances are his father was one before him. People like this need counselling and behavioural therapy to ensure the asshole chain is broken.

Specifically, in Vick's case, I'd say screw the jail time...instead, he should be forced to work in an SPCA shelter full-time for a few years.
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Vick has gone through how many QB coaches? How many different offenses?
I've no idea. I stopped following his football career after he left school. I only know what I know about him from when we were both at school. So...yeah, a lot of my responses about his game are like 7 years old and irrevalent. Fuck, I didn't even realize it has been that long I'm old.


and i agree, i think he should work for an spca! i think that's a great idea.
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Two of Michael Vick's co-defendants say in court documents that Vick participated in executing dogs earlier this year.
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Two of Michael Vick's co-defendants say in court documents that Vick participated in executing dogs earlier this year.
I REALLY hope they throw the book at him... Stuff like this makes me really angry!!
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I saw that. Makes the stomach churn


Maybe if I get bored today I'll go down to the courthouse and see what the scene is like
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Maybe if I get bored today I'll go down to the courthouse and see what the scene is like
If you see Vick throw something heavy at him for me!
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I'll leave that to PETA
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This is cool

http://www.vickdogchewtoy.com/
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