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Old 01-17-2005, 04:38 PM   #196
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My goodness....I need to check myself out....I am agreeing with deep
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Old 01-17-2005, 04:53 PM   #197
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One thing.....

John Adams, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson did not create the law of the land.....

These guys did....

New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman

Massachusetts
Rufus King
Nathaniel Gorham

Connecticut
Roger Sherman
William Samuel Johnson

New York
Alexander Hamilton

New Jersey
William Livingston
David Brearley
William Paterson
Jonathan Dayton Pennsylvania
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robert Morris
George Clymer
Thomas FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
Gouverneur Morris
James Wilson

Delaware
George Read
Gunning Bedford, Jr.
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jacob Broom

Maryland
James McHenry
Daniel Carroll
Dan of St. Thomas Jenifer Virginia
John Blair
James Madison, Jr.

North Carolina
William Blount
Richard Dobbs Spaight
Hugh Williamson

South Carolina
John Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler

Georgia
William Few
Abraham Baldwin
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Old 01-17-2005, 05:04 PM   #198
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My goodness....I need to check myself out....I am agreeing with deep
we probably agree more
we only post at the differences

is your sig correct?
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Old 01-17-2005, 06:18 PM   #199
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My response to dread and deep are on the other thread that dread started. See yall over there to continue the debate. It is quite fun I think...
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One thing.....

John Adams, George Washington, and Thomas Jefferson did not create the law of the land.....

These guys did....

New Hampshire
John Langdon
Nicholas Gilman

Massachusetts
Rufus King
Nathaniel Gorham

Connecticut
Roger Sherman
William Samuel Johnson

New York
Alexander Hamilton

New Jersey
William Livingston
David Brearley
William Paterson
Jonathan Dayton

Pennsylvania
Benjamin Franklin
Thomas Mifflin
Robert Morris
George Clymer
Thomas FitzSimons
Jared Ingersoll
Gouverneur Morris
James Wilson

Delaware
George Read
Gunning Bedford, Jr.
John Dickinson
Richard Bassett
Jacob Broom

Maryland
James McHenry
Daniel Carroll
Dan of St. Thomas Jenifer Virginia
John Blair
James Madison, Jr.

North Carolina
William Blount
Richard Dobbs Spaight
Hugh Williamson

South Carolina
John Rutledge
Charles Cotesworth Pinckney
Charles Pinckney
Pierce Butler

Georgia
William Few
Abraham Baldwin
You forgot my state, and one of the most important of all

Virginia!!

James Madison
(still looking for official list to be sure!)

of course, those men can write whatever they want and, like the Bible, people will twist certain parts to say it said things it didn't really intend to suit their position
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:51 AM   #201
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Sorry to bump this thread back up but I thought I would make this point. If a man is sentenced for life after killing someone and then he kills someone in the prison. What can they do to him? He is already in jail and if there is no death penalty then what can be done to him. Basically this person would have a license to kill whoever he/she wanted to.
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Old 03-21-2005, 11:53 AM   #202
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Speaking of which...

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...ion_death_dc_2

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Catholic Bishops Campaign Against Death Penalty

2 hours, 25 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Catholic bishops on Monday launched a campaign against the death penalty and presented new data suggesting support for capital punishment among American Catholics had fallen sharply in recent years to below 50 percent.

Washington Archbishop Theodore McCarrick told a news conference the campaign would bring renewed urgency and energy to efforts to end capital punishment.

"The use of the death penalty ought to be abandoned because we have other alternative ways to protect society," he said.

Use of the death penalty has been falling in recent years. In 2004, 69 people were executed, the lowest number since 1997. So far this year, 12 people have been executed, according to the Death Penalty Information Center.

The number of people sentenced to death has also fallen from a 1996 high of 320 to 136 in 2004. Meanwhile, the Supreme Court has outlawed executions imposed on juveniles and the mentally retarded.

Pollster John Zogby presented results of a survey taken last November showing that support for capital punishment among Catholics was down to 48 percent, with 47 percent now opposed. In 2001, 68 percent of Catholics support the death penalty while 27 percent were opposed.

"Frequent attendees of Mass as well as young Catholics are less likely to support the death penalty. And those who attended Catholic colleges also are more opposed," Zogby said.

A follow-up survey this month also revealed that 29 percent of Catholics had once favored the death penalty but had changed their minds.

Among the population at large, other polls have found support for the death penalty running at around 60 percent. However, when respondents are offered a choice between execution or life imprisonment without parole, support drops below 45 percent.

As part of their campaign, the bishops will increase education efforts in parishes, schools and universities and step up advocacy in Congress and state legislatures. They will also continue to submit legal briefs in death penalty cases.

McCarrick said the Catholic campaign fit into the church's general ideology of respect for life. "We cannot teach that killing is wrong by killing," he said. "This campaign brings together our social justice and pro-life efforts."
So what do all you "pro-life" folk think of this?

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I guess guilt/innocence plays no part in who we kill.......
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Old 03-21-2005, 01:44 PM   #204
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I guess guilt/innocence plays no part in who we kill.......
dna evidence

corrupt law enforcement

back up your point.


it appears to be
that those convicted may be killed regardless of true guilt/innocence


So, are you coming over to opposing the death penalty?
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Not quite - just a contrast to the threads supporting the choice to kill.....
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No. And all you who think it is should seriously reconsider.
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Not quite - just a contrast to the threads supporting the choice to kill.....
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I guess guilt/innocence plays no part in who we kill.......
Problem is guilt and innocence isn't an absolute in our society.
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Old 03-21-2005, 02:21 PM   #209
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i believe no human being should allow himself to kill someone else. the death penalty is wrong, killing a murder won't take back a lost life, killing a murder means to low down to his level, only god is the supreme judge. sometimes it gets very difficult to accept the bad things that happen, when for example a child is murdered or more people in series, if my brain would reason only for a second i wouldn't have any hesitation to go with the death penalty, but this is not the right way, you become a sort of "legal killer", and it's bad, too
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