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Old 07-16-2004, 04:50 AM   #1
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Do you think Drinking during Pregnancy should be considered Child Abuse?

I was thinking about this earlier today, and decided that when I'm president, I'm gonna make it so. Seriously, FAS (fetal alcohol syndrome) is the NUMBER ONE cause of mental retardation An infant can be really screwed up if it's not taken care of while in the womb.

I'm guessing this is the right forum, but regardless, does anyone else agree with me, here? Smoking, of course, can also be harmful to the baby, but not to the degree that drinking is
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Drinking, smoking, drugs are all addictions that the mother may have had for some time. Giving up cold when pregnant may be difficult.

Also conceiving and then knowing about it can take a few weeks. I know I had a few drinks of red wine one Christmas and then found out a few days later I was pregnant with my first child. I didnt drink once I knew.

And I have a friend who didnt know she was pregnant until she was 5 months pregnant (long story)

Most people I know behave themselves when they know they are pregnant.

I think the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome mothers you mention are possibly either alcoholics and wouldnt comprehend a law enforcement or not very educated in which case the result is the same.

But yeah, tis a tragedy.
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If you were my president or pm I'd support that.

But that said, as beli mentioned, it isn't always as straight forward as that. I found out I was preggers over a long weekend and had had a horrifically huge night of drinking on the Friday before finding out on the Sunday. By the time I finally spoke to a medical expert I was frantic worrying about the damage I'd unknowingly caused. The midwife laughed at me and said my worrying was more of a concern than anything. Needless, I didnt touch another drop of alcohol after that. About halfway through i then got chatting with the specialist who tested for abnormalities and he said it was believed in the medical community to continue smoking if you did already but not more than about 10 a day. Just enough to prevent cravings causing more harm and stress. And alcohol was always said to be something that was still ok in extreme moderation. Ie a glass a month or something.

And while I reckon we often underestimate how tough a little unborn baby can be, we can never do too much to help ensure they are given the best start to life.
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It churns my stomach when I see a pregnant woman smoking
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Old 07-16-2004, 01:05 PM   #5
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Why, as long as killing your unborn child through abortion remains legal and defended?
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Old 07-16-2004, 01:18 PM   #6
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Can we please please please wait a couple of months for the next abortion thread? We all need a rest!

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drinking and smoking during pregnancy should be considered attempted murder. if the woman obviously knew, that is.
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Short answer: no. Two main reasons: Firstly, how can you prosecute someone for child abuse if they weren't even aware they were pregnant when they drank alcohol? Secondly, there's a huge difference between a pregnant woman drinking one or two glasses of wine a week (which many medical experts believe is not harmful to the child) and a pregnant woman drinking enough alcohol to cause harm to the child, and saying that drinking any alcohol while pregnant is "child abuse" doesn't take account of that difference.
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Old 07-16-2004, 03:25 PM   #9
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drinking and smoking during pregnancy should be considered attempted murder. if the woman obviously knew, that is.
So if a woman smokes or drinks during pregnancy she must be actively trying to kill her child?
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Short answer: no. Two main reasons: Firstly, how can you prosecute someone for child abuse if they weren't even aware they were pregnant when they drank alcohol? Secondly, there's a huge difference between a pregnant woman drinking one or two glasses of wine a week (which many medical experts believe is not harmful to the child) and a pregnant woman drinking enough alcohol to cause harm to the child, and saying that drinking any alcohol while pregnant is "child abuse" doesn't take account of that difference.
Firstly, I think the woman should drink responsibly (or none at all) a few weeks after having sex...or whenever it is she has her period. As long as the woman knows there is a chance she *might* be pregnant, she shouldn't risk consuming large amounts of alcohol (afterall, the first trimester is the most critical period of the fetus' life). Secondly...yes, drinking 1 or 2 glasses a week throughout pregnancy *should* be a.o.k. for the infant (as opposed to getting completely wasted on a particular night), but nothing is a guarantee, and should the child develope a neurodevelopmental problem, the mother should be held responsible.


beli - She didn't know she was pregnant until she was halfway through the second trimester?! That's crazy! You say there's a long story to it, do you mind indulging us/me??? You've peaked my interest
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Firstly, I think the woman should drink responsibly (or none at all) a few weeks after having sex...or whenever it is she has her period. As long as the woman knows there is a chance she *might* be pregnant, she shouldn't risk consuming large amounts of alcohol (afterall, the first trimester is the most critical period of the fetus' life).
Then what you're actually saying is that any woman who is sexually active shouldn't drink, since not drinking within a few weeks of having sex would mean not drinking at all for many people in a relationship. Even if she's using contraception, there is still a chance she *might* be pregnant, since no method of contraception is 100% effective.
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beli - She didn't know she was pregnant until she was halfway through the second trimester?! That's crazy! You say there's a long story to it, do you mind indulging us/me??? You've peaked my interest
Ok TMI here we go. Shes a big girl to start with, Aboriginal. She had her period regularly throughout her pregnancy. Apparently thats pretty normal for people who dont know their pregnant for a long time. It doesnt occur to them to think they are pregnant when they have their period.

She was also reasonably fit and active and didnt have any mornnig sickness so was blissfully unaware of her little son growing inside of her. This was a while ago, I think she was probably about 18 or so at the time.

Shes not a big drinker so it wasnt a huge drama but that kind of thing can happen to healthy young largish women.
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My mom not only smoked when she was pregnant, but also when breastfeeding me. Ashes would literally drop on my head!!!
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My mom smoked while she was pregnant with me and my brothers and sisters but I certainly wouldn't want her thrown in jail. I think its irresponsible but not criminal.

Drinking is another story but who says how much is too much? And its pretty ridiculous to suggest that any woman in her fertile years shouldn't drink because she *might* pregnant.
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So if a woman smokes or drinks during pregnancy she must be actively trying to kill her child?


well, yes with the drinking. my exhusband told me that his mother had smoked while being pregnant with him and his brother, so maybe its extreme in that case, i didnt realize how common it is. which sucks.

the mother cant be that clueless to know what kind of effects drinking and smoking has on the unborn. seriously.
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