Devil's Advocate Thread - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Free Your Mind > Free Your Mind Archive
Click Here to Login
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-13-2007, 10:26 PM   #1
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 01:10 PM
Devil's Advocate Thread

Just an intellectual exercise. Make a good argument for a position opposite one you hold and, if you dare, one you hold dear.
__________________

__________________
BonosSaint is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:58 AM   #2
Jesus Online
 
Angela Harlem's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1969
Location: a glass castle
Posts: 30,163
Local Time: 04:10 AM
OK, I support the death penalty because I do not believe that the guilty should be allowed to live. I believe that there is nothing at all wrong about issuing an elected official the authority and power to remove our right to life. I believe elected officials are capable of using their discretion as I after all had the confidence to vote them in, so I extend that confidence even further to life and death decision making. I am comfortable with this entirely. My trust in the men of my government is strong enough to allow me to be comfortable with this. I am therefore confident with whom they elect for the bench of our high court, to likewise engage in such decision making.

I also support the courts serving the needs of victims, and doing so on a personal level with those who come before it. I see the courts role as one of meting out justice - and that is primarily for the victim of crime. I don't see the death penalty as vengeance, but instead equality among offense and punishment.

I do believe, despite objection, that it deters further crime. I also disagree that a life term is any kind of suitable punishment. Inmates are notoriously well looked after with such luxuries as televisions and toasters. I think this fails it's claimed initial purpose as removing freedoms, and instead it removes freedoms but makes it a nice holiday because they have books and education. I am not interested in the primary goal of prison which is to remove freedoms, and that a toaster oven makes little difference to the every day life of a convicted person. I see imprisonment as nothing to do with a penalty at all, despite the endless supply of data that suggest otherwise.

I believe that God/Jesus supports an eye for an eye, and I endeavour to use this to shape my view on the death penalty. I am absolutely not afraid of the concept of a religious ruling state.
__________________

__________________
<a href=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v196/angelaharlem/thPaul_Roos28.jpg target=_blank>http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...aul_Roos28.jpg</a>
Angela Harlem is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:05 PM   #3
Refugee
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel
Posts: 1,300
Local Time: 05:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by Angela Harlem
OK, I support the death penalty because I do not believe that the guilty should be allowed to live. I believe that there is nothing at all wrong about issuing an elected official the authority and power to remove our right to life. I believe elected officials are capable of using their discretion as I after all had the confidence to vote them in, so I extend that confidence even further to life and death decision making. I am comfortable with this entirely. My trust in the men of my government is strong enough to allow me to be comfortable with this. I am therefore confident with whom they elect for the bench of our high court, to likewise engage in such decision making.

I also support the courts serving the needs of victims, and doing so on a personal level with those who come before it. I see the courts role as one of meting out justice - and that is primarily for the victim of crime. I don't see the death penalty as vengeance, but instead equality among offense and punishment.

I do believe, despite objection, that it deters further crime. I also disagree that a life term is any kind of suitable punishment. Inmates are notoriously well looked after with such luxuries as televisions and toasters. I think this fails it's claimed initial purpose as removing freedoms, and instead it removes freedoms but makes it a nice holiday because they have books and education. I am not interested in the primary goal of prison which is to remove freedoms, and that a toaster oven makes little difference to the every day life of a convicted person. I see imprisonment as nothing to do with a penalty at all, despite the endless supply of data that suggest otherwise.

I believe that God/Jesus supports an eye for an eye, and I endeavour to use this to shape my view on the death penalty. I am absolutely not afraid of the concept of a religious ruling state.


I agree 100%.
__________________
AchtungBono is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:14 PM   #4
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30,343
Local Time: 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AchtungBono


I agree 100%.
Do you understand what she was doing there?
__________________
phillyfan26 is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:16 PM   #5
Refugee
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Tel-Aviv, Israel
Posts: 1,300
Local Time: 05:10 PM
I am TOTALLY against so-called "mercy killings" which is just another word for cold-blooded murder.

Only G-d has the right to decide who lives and who dies, not the doctors.

The horrific murder of Terry Schiavo really drove the point home for me - a living breathing human being slowly starved to death at the whim of her monster of a husband....or ex-husband as the case may be seeing as he was already shacked up with someone else.

There are advances in medical science all the time and I believe that people should NEVER give up hope for recovery. I've heard stories about people waking up after YEARS in a coma - what would have happened if those people had been killed by their families?

You may ask why I'm against "mercy killings" yet I support the death penalty.....well one doesn't contradict the other. I don't equate John Couey with Terry Schiavo. John Couey raped a 9 year old girl and then buried her alive....THAT to me deserves the death penalty (which is actually too GOOD for that scum), Terry Schiavo's only "crime" was being in a coma - she didn't deserve to die for that.
__________________
AchtungBono is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:23 PM   #6
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
trevster2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 4,330
Local Time: 01:40 PM
I think the war in Iraq was the greatest presidential decision ever. It has made America safer, and opened the door for the democratization of the Middle East.

George Bush is the greatest president ever. His unsteely nerve has allowed him to make the hard decisions which make the world a better place and help others around the world. The Bush administration only has the best interests of all people in mind when making decisions.

History will refer to George W Bush as one of the greatest leaders of the 21st century.


( I think I am going to go throw up now............... )
__________________
trevster2k is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:25 PM   #7
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 30,343
Local Time: 12:10 PM
Devil's Advocate on ... Homosexual Rights

Why should homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals? Marriage has never been between anything else other than a man and a woman. Why should that change now?

I mean, after all, homosexuality is wrong. It says so in the Bible. The government shouldn't allow it at all. Forget the fact that the Bible has to do with religion: it's allowing sin.

Homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as I do as a heterosexual. I mean, after all, I can produce children. I continue evolution. What do homosexuals do? Just fool around with each other. And they should get rights?

And forget about letting them adopt children. They'll just feminize them. I mean, the only reason kids become gay is because of parental upbringing. Weak fathers. And lust for other men. They'd just pass on their homosexuality.

I always hear about how it's not a choice. But if it really isn't (though this is disputed cause one doctor said something about how they're not certain), they should just ignore their feelings and be a real human.

They don't even want to get married really. I mean, read the Conservapedia article on same-sex marriage. The one expert says that they just want to trample on marriage and its sanctity. I mean, it's true, you know? Heterosexual marriage has sanctity, cause we can have kids. Homosexuals can't. They just lust. They sin. And they don't deserve rights.
__________________
phillyfan26 is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:29 PM   #8
ONE
love, blood, life
 
melon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Toronto, Ontario
Posts: 11,781
Local Time: 12:10 PM
I won't participate in this, if only because I'm afraid someone will actually use my "Devil's Advocate" arguments against my actual beliefs later.
__________________
melon is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:30 PM   #9
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Vincent Vega's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Berlin
Posts: 6,615
Local Time: 06:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AchtungBono
I am TOTALLY against so-called "mercy killings" which is just another word for cold-blooded murder.

Only G-d has the right to decide who lives and who dies, not the doctors.

The horrific murder of Terry Schiavo really drove the point home for me - a living breathing human being slowly starved to death at the whim of her monster of a husband....or ex-husband as the case may be seeing as he was already shacked up with someone else.

There are advances in medical science all the time and I believe that people should NEVER give up hope for recovery. I've heard stories about people waking up after YEARS in a coma - what would have happened if those people had been killed by their families?

You may ask why I'm against "mercy killings" yet I support the death penalty.....well one doesn't contradict the other. I don't equate John Couey with Terry Schiavo. John Couey raped a 9 year old girl and then buried her alive....THAT to me deserves the death penalty (which is actually too GOOD for that scum), Terry Schiavo's only "crime" was being in a coma - she didn't deserve to die for that.
The point actually was to write the opposite from your opinion, but nevermind.

But what I've meant to ask you for quite a while: Why do you always write G-d instead of God? Is it just a letter which my browser interpretates wrong or is it to indicate that you are of another religion (being non-Protestant)?
No criticism, just something I was curious about.
__________________
Vincent Vega is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:38 PM   #10
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 01:10 PM
.......
__________________
BonosSaint is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:54 PM   #11
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,486
Local Time: 12:10 PM
Quote:
Originally posted by AchtungBono
IThe horrific murder of Terry Schiavo really drove the point home for me - a living breathing human being slowly starved to death at the whim of her monster of a husband....or ex-husband as the case may be seeing as he was already shacked up with someone else.

There are advances in medical science all the time and I believe that people should NEVER give up hope for recovery. I've heard stories about people waking up after YEARS in a coma - what would have happened if those people had been killed by their families?


you realize, of course, that the autopsy showed that most of her brain had liquified and she was every bit the vegetable the doctors said that she was.

her family was wrong. 100% wrong. there was nothing more there than wishful thinking. they'd be just as well served going to the refridgerator, taking out a head of caluiflower, putting make up on it and putting balloon in front of it and videotaping the whole thing.
__________________
Irvine511 is online now  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:55 PM   #12
Blue Crack Supplier
 
Irvine511's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 30,486
Local Time: 12:10 PM
see, i'm confused about this thread.

do i take a Devils Advocate for a position i hold where i can see 100% the other side, or am i trying to find the logic in a position i disagree with and have trouble articulating the other side?
__________________
Irvine511 is online now  
Old 10-14-2007, 01:58 PM   #13
Rock n' Roll Doggie
 
BonosSaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 3,566
Local Time: 01:10 PM
2nd is preferable. But the first will suffice. The challenge is to articulate it as convincingly as possible. The way you would argue it if you believed it, not necessarily the way they would argue it.
__________________
BonosSaint is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 02:49 PM   #14
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The American Resistance
Posts: 4,754
Local Time: 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally posted by phillyfan26
Devil's Advocate on ... Homosexual Rights

Why should homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals? Marriage has never been between anything else other than a man and a woman. Why should that change now?

I mean, after all, homosexuality is wrong. It says so in the Bible. The government shouldn't allow it at all. Forget the fact that the Bible has to do with religion: it's allowing sin.

Homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as I do as a heterosexual. I mean, after all, I can produce children. I continue evolution. What do homosexuals do? Just fool around with each other. And they should get rights?

And forget about letting them adopt children. They'll just feminize them. I mean, the only reason kids become gay is because of parental upbringing. Weak fathers. And lust for other men. They'd just pass on their homosexuality.

I always hear about how it's not a choice. But if it really isn't (though this is disputed cause one doctor said something about how they're not certain), they should just ignore their feelings and be a real human.

They don't even want to get married really. I mean, read the Conservapedia article on same-sex marriage. The one expert says that they just want to trample on marriage and its sanctity. I mean, it's true, you know? Heterosexual marriage has sanctity, cause we can have kids. Homosexuals can't. They just lust. They sin. And they don't deserve rights.
Hater! Homophobe!

(oh yeah, this is a lot easier)
__________________
INDY500 is offline  
Old 10-14-2007, 03:03 PM   #15
Blue Crack Addict
 
anitram's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 16,288
Local Time: 12:10 PM
I think we should evangelize 24/7.

This is what we are instructed to do by God. If you saw a starving man on the street, would you not offer to feed him? If you saw somebody unemployed and you knew you could put them in a training program, would you not make that offer?

We are in dereliction of duty if we don't tell them about Jesus, and how if they don't embrace him, the little man with the pitchfork is comin' round. God will judge us harshly if we don't spread the word.
__________________

__________________
anitram is offline  
 

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:10 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com