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Old 12-21-2004, 01:31 PM   #16
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Oh well, it'll just be hotter than ever in Texas in 2008
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Old 12-21-2004, 03:21 PM   #17
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There's no doubt that the US emits a lot of greenhouse gases and that the earth has heated up the last few decades, but there is some evidence that pollution in Asia and sunspots are more to blame for global warming than the increase in greenhouse gases.
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The point is that climate change is a real effect but why it occurs is a bit more ambiguous and Kyoto is not a good way to adress the problem (it is a shackle on the US while it gives massive concessions to Russia and Developing Nations).
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Old 12-21-2004, 04:24 PM   #19
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that is basicly cause those nations are still 'developing'. US and the rest of the developed world have finished their industrial revolutions and burned all kinds of fossil fuels and now are ready to move on to cleaner types of energy (although US still doesnt) on the other hand countries like india and so are still industrializing. they HAVE TO use fossil fuels, cause thats all theyve got. one fact remains though. US is destroying the planet faster than any other nation on the planet.

may i also remind that a lot of multinationals based in US are working around the world, consuming resources everywhere?
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Old 12-21-2004, 10:10 PM   #20
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WOW - what a great thread, Scarletwine!

Thank you for starting it and I agee completely with most of the posters here who are MORE THAN TICKED OFF BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION'S REFUSAL to move forward on the issue of global warming and climate change.

All I can do is to encourage those of us who want to save planet earth and her natural resources for future generations of our children to conserve and use is to NOT GIVE UP and join an environmental group.

Be part of the solution.

http://www.nrdc.org
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Old 12-22-2004, 12:43 AM   #21
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Another thread that is close to home!

You are all talking about 3rd world nations not taking care of their own backyard and causing global warming, well let me tell you something. I've been living in New Zealand for some years now and it's obviously a country with a "clean, green, GE-free" reputation. Guess what? I am experiencing first hand the effects of global warming!! I don't think you can blame this one on the 3rd world. I think most countries, no matter where in the world, are guilty of not carpooling, of using that extra lightbulb that makes a difference, of dispensing non-biodegradable products (especially during Christmas season, argh), etc etc. Squeaky clean New Zealand is 2nd only to USA when it comes to the most waste (read this in the paper).

It's supposed to be bloody summer and it has been hailing almost everyday, I might say this weather is "barmier" than it's ever been in any winter! I can't wait to be able to wear shorts again!


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Photographs taken by a spacecraft orbiting Earth indicate that active volcanoes may still exist on the dead planet, further eroding its image as a dead world and offering prime sites to prospect for signs of Earth life.

it is only a matter of time until the surface of earth looks like mars
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Only a matter of a few billion years yes, when both planets are balls of cold rock orbiting a white dwarf.
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I am not optimistic for Earth's prospects

Humans will give the globe the Easter Island treatment with nowhere to take the longboats,
long before the Sun burns out.
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I do not think that that will occur, the world is in relatively good shape - as I said before we are a supremely arrogant species, thinking that we can wipe out alll life or create problems that would never be undone.
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It is precisely this thinking
that will do us in.

Indeed, we are a supremely arrogant species.

Again and again civilizations have disappeared.

This time we are all inner-connected and there will be no others after we are gone.

It will probably begin with something unnoticeable, in the oceans.
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Old 12-22-2004, 06:01 PM   #27
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I'm with deep here. I firmly believe in the butterfly effect. Anyone who doesn't is kidding themselves. It's annoying how solipsistic people are.

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All I can say is that you should go out and review all the information out there, the feedback mechanisms inherent in complex systems (such as weather) are critical when modelling climate change and we have not discovered all of the data - correllation and causation are two seperate things, it is important that we approach global climate change in a measured way and get solid answers before doing anything rash.
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Okay, but there's nothing rash in consuming less petrol and plastic.

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It is precisely this thinking
that will do us in.

Indeed, we are a supremely arrogant species.

Again and again civilizations have disappeared.

This time we are all inner-connected and there will be no others after we are gone.

It will probably begin with something unnoticeable, in the oceans.
The arrogance is that we THINK we can manipulate our climate
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