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Old 08-31-2004, 11:58 AM   #16
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Well said That Guy, and I'm not "nitpicking" over "some old lady"
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Old 08-31-2004, 12:00 PM   #17
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If I'm not wrong (and please correct me if I do), Clinton never tried to dig up dirt (not to mention lies) from their military service like bush junior does regarding Kerry. That's why it wasn't such a big issue.
Where are you getting your news? Bush has said on more than one occassion that Kerry should be proud of his service.
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Old 08-31-2004, 12:03 PM   #18
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Perhaps better terms might have been "Clinton's surrogates" and "Bush's surrogates."
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I doubt it is that clear through the partisian fog. Surrogates still suggest a degree of control, which I doubt any candidate has over some of these third party groups.
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Mm-kay.
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Old 08-31-2004, 01:15 PM   #21
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I'm sure the Op Ed pieces really give you the full picture......
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Old 08-31-2004, 01:35 PM   #22
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Yeah, the fact that dirty politics seems to follow Rove's campaigns is an amazing coincidence. Darn that liberal Eleanor Clift and her supposed Republican sources!
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Okay. I guess the choice is easy when one side is pure as the driven snow.....
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First you argue that the campaign has little to no control over the surrogates. Then you argue that they do, but it's okay because both sides do it. Which is it?
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Both sides have third party elements, which are not controlled by the candidates. Both sides have their strategists, who are controlled by the candidates. Believe what you want.

Going tit for tat on partisan editorials is of no benefit or use.
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Fair enough.
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...rts/index.html


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Both sides have third party elements, which are not controlled by the candidates. Both sides have their strategists, who are controlled by the candidates. Believe what you want.

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George Bush 1

fired Rove because he is a scum bag


George Bush 2

is in office because Rove is a scum bag


Believe what you want.
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Where are you getting your news? Bush has said on more than one occassion that Kerry should be proud of his service.
Just because Bush himself didn't attacked him on this doesn't mean there were no messengers.
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But it doesn't mean the messengers = Bush.
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