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Old 11-30-2004, 09:22 AM   #46
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I wasn't aware that Hindus celebrated the birth of Christ

go back and read my posts. no, they don't celebrate the birth of christ. but living in American, they celebrate Christmas in a secular fashion -- trees, stockings, reindeer, and santa. jesus has nothing to do with their celebrations. it's a winter carnival to them, and i'm very happy they have a means of celebrating something that literally consumes the entire month of December.

imagine not being Christian for a moment. how would December feel to you?
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Old 11-30-2004, 09:25 AM   #47
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No of course not. Let's take it way from the way America has traditionally celebrated it. After all, we not allowed to have a culture or heritage.

Mark

p.s. winter carnival my ass.

well, if you want to be possessive about Christmas, go ahead. and get ready for it to be totally, 100% kicked out of public schools if the only way you're willing to allow it to be celebrated is in a purely religious context.

sadly, this means that the wonderful celebrations, songs, colors, and lights that have sprung up around chirstmas will no longer be available. they're too pagan, i'm sure.
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I respect other faiths and beliefs, but I do think the PC thing has gone way too far.

For example, calling it a "holiday" tree. It's a Christmas tree- pardon my ignorance, but is any other religion truly offended by calling it that?

no, Christmas tree is fine. there is a HUGE difference between a Christmas tree and a nativity scene. one is fine in schools and public buildlings, the other is not.

i don't see what's so hard about this.

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It used to be no problem to anyone to have the 10 Commandments on display and whatnot. I guess now lawyers have a hard time accepting Thou Shall Not Lie and Thou Shall Not Kill?
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the 10 commandments are fine in a *historical* contect, but to post them up in a federal buildling or construct some stone monstrosity to be placed in front of a state court house is something entirely different. false idols, anyone?

nuance! nuance! nuance!

it's a good thing!
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False idols? ... I lost you.
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False idols? ... I lost you.
Worshiping the writing of the Ten Commandments rather than following them, I suppose.

I guess in the name of multiculturalism, we need to strip vestiges of the influence of Christianity from public life.

We are nowhere near "establishment" of state religion.
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I don't think "establishing a state religion" is okay, but I don't see why everyone is in such a hurry to kick God out of the country. People will always believe in a higher power, while others may choose not to. That freedom is simply a gift from our founding fathers to choose what you want to believe in.
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Worshiping the writing of the Ten Commandments rather than following them, I suppose.

I guess in the name of multiculturalism, we need to strip vestiges of the influence of Christianity from public life.

We are nowhere near "establishment" of state religion.

that strikes me as more than a bit melodramatic.

no one is talking about the historical influence, but yes, we don't want Christianity's specific set of cultural icons -- crosses, nativity scenes, the 10 Commandments -- to be displayed in federal buildings. this casts religion in a specifically christian context, and would be tantamount to the "establishment" of state religion.
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How about we also have the star of David, the Islamic moon, would that work out?
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no one is talking about the historical influence, but yes, we don't want Christianity's specific set of cultural icons -- crosses, nativity scenes, the 10 Commandments -- to be displayed in federal buildings. this casts religion in a specifically christian context, and would be tantamount to the "establishment" of state religion.
That could be equally construed as melodramatic.

There are historical and cultural influences from Christianity. To say that today, we must strip them all from public view is unnecessary.
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It's pretty sad that the cross - which is supposed to symbolize the crucifixion - could offend so many people. I think it has reason to offend the "Jesus never existed" crowd. Other than that, who does it threaten?
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How about we also have the star of David, the Islamic moon, would that work out?

what about a statue of the Buddha? what about Vishnu?
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That could be equally construed as melodramatic.

There are historical and cultural influences from Christianity. To say that today, we must strip them all from public view is unnecessary.

we're not stripping them from public view, we are stripping them from federal buildings. walk into any town in New England, and you'll see a great big church with a cross on top. we're all fine with that. having a cross in a post office is *entirely* different.
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what about a statue of the Buddha? what about Vishnu?
The all or nothing argument. Doesn't matter what has developed here culturally over the last 200 years......
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