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Old 05-24-2006, 04:28 PM   #16
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Well, I'd say the question is: what does someone mean when they say "I've lost my faith". Is is a temporary straying? Is it a case where the person never had faith (but lived mechanically within the confines of a religious tradition)?

i would say that having "lost one's faith" means that one no longer believes (and since it is a matter of belief, we have no evidence for these things) in either Jesus as a savior or, to go further, that there is a Creator/God/Supreme Being.

are you saying that "true" faith would never leave, for if it leaves, it wasn't "true" in the first place?

sort a silly example -- but remember "Signs"? the Mel Gibson character was a preacher of some sort, but had lost his beloved wife in a car accident and this caused him to lose his faith. ignoring the rest of the movie, and using that as a jumping off point, is someone of faith who loses their faith due to circumstance a charlatan? is it that a person who goes from having faith to agnosticism or atheism due to a variety of reasons (trauma, personal reflection, personal revelation, intellectual pursuit) was never in possession of "true" faith to begin with?
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:40 AM   #17
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I just dug this off my HD, it was a protest picture from Turkey over the Mohammed Cartoons ~ one could say that Muslims and Christians have a lot more in common than some make out.



Caption reads: "We Love Jesus Too" with the sign on the right having a Cresent and Crucifix united in peace over a burning Star of David.

United in faith no doubt
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ICaption reads: "We Love Jesus Too" with the sign on the right having a Cresent and Crucifix united in peace over a burning Star of David.

United in faith no doubt


i bet they just watched "The Passion."
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Old 05-25-2006, 02:31 PM   #19
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I just dug this off my HD, it was a protest picture from Turkey over the Mohammed Cartoons ~ one could say that Muslims and Christians have a lot more in common than some make out.
A common theological error. I've met plenty of Muslims and Christians who believe that they worship the same God.

Nothing like trying to pretend you have an ally in your campaign of hatred.
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A common theological error. I've met plenty of Muslims and Christians who believe that they worship the same God.

Nothing like trying to pretend you have an ally in your campaign of hatred.
Muslims still see Jesus as a prophet of their God. How is their monotheism different than Christian monotheism?
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First, how Islam defines God is fundamentally different that Christianity. Second, Christians are still considered infidels in the eyes of Islam.

The words used are the same, but they have different meanings.
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Your considered infidels because you don't acknowledge the final revelations from God, Islam sees itself as a progression and in societies under Islamic law people of the book are in theory allowed to continue practicing their faith as dhimmis.
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A progression to a different God.
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And we are surprised why? The people of the book all believe in the same imaginary friend - which is marginally less crazy than believing in multiple imaginary friends
Great post!!!
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To me it's not a matter of all Muslims. I've already posted this link, but I think this particular Muslim worships the same God I do.
http://www.mevlana.net

Take a look at the site and you'll see why. This guy is revered by Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.
By the same token, I don't think the Wahhabist Muslims who label me an infidel are worshipping the same God I am. In fact, I think they are worshipping Wahhab, not God.
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