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Old 09-06-2006, 01:05 PM   #76
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"Seems like some special interest groups own tv networks."

Really? Which ones does the AFA own?

Look, I think the AFA's stance on this film is ridiculous. I think -- knowing the filmmakers involved -- that the film promotes the exact qualities the AFA would want to exalt -- heroism, self-sacrifice, duty to country, etc. At the same time, the cries of "fascism" and the equating on this board of the AFA with genuine terrorists is absolutely ridiculous, and more than a little troubling. This is America. Special interest groups have the right to lobby for whatever they'd like, and they do, whether it's GLAAD lobbying for more gay characters on TV or the AFA demanding swear words removed from a TV program airing during the "family hour." If you want to restrict their right to lobby for whatever they'd like -- even if it offends you -- then in some ways you are betraying your own fascistic tendencies. And let's face it, fascism can come as much from the left as from the right.
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I don't want to restrict anyone's right to lobby and I haven't called them fascists, however I maintain my right to believe and say that the AFA (or the FCC) making an issue over swear words in a 9/11 documentary is completely ridiculous and asinine. And insulting to everyone's intelligence and to the memory of what happened that day.
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^ On that you and I absolutely agree.
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This whole thing is not only ridiculous, it's positively OBSCENE, as cable networks are not subject to the same strict regulations. This is not 1985, when cable was watched by a small proportion of the US population. What is the percentage of US houseolds with cable? A LOT. And yet, filthy language, violence, and vivid sound effects of male gay sex (Angels In America--the Central Park at night scene, folks?) abound, and cable is not fined or regulated, all because politicians still are stuck in a time warp and believe that just b/c "cable isn't seen by as many peopleand therefore isn't as dangerous." If only they knew how much adult programming is watched by kids when both working parents aren't around at night and in the evening. Do you think they watch only the Disney Channel and Nick at Nite? COME ON. But cable makes certain people a ton of mon ey, so it won't ever be regulated.....HYPOCRITES.....
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Oh god this shit is just so fucking INSANE! Swear words!?? JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, there's some profanity (born of frustration) from this morally relativist librul to your ears, gang.
There's something wrong with the mind that enjoys offending people's sensibilities just for the "fun" of it. Oh yeah, that's right, it's called "being a jerk".
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This whole thing is not only ridiculous, it's positively OBSCENE, as cable networks are not subject to the same strict regulations. This is not 1985, when cable was watched by a small proportion of the US population. What is the percentage of US houseolds with cable? A LOT. And yet, filthy language, violence, and vivid sound effects of male gay sex (Angels In America--the Central Park at night scene, folks?) abound, and cable is not fined or regulated, all because politicians still are stuck in a time warp and believe that just b/c "cable isn't seen by as many peopleand therefore isn't as dangerous."
Cable by definition can't be regulated, since it's not broadcast on public (i.e., UHF and VHF) frequencies. Cable programs run on regulated channels are doctored for television (such as "Sex and the City", which famously re-shot or re-edited its episodes to conform to FCC standards).
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Cable by definition can't be regulated, since it's not broadcast on public (i.e., UHF and VHF) frequencies. Cable programs run on regulated channels are doctored for television (such as "Sex and the City", which famously re-shot or re-edited its episodes to conform to FCC standards).
You're partly correct. Premium cable, like HBO and Showtime, is unregulated, because it's seen as a paid extra on top of extended basic cable. But with that, extended basic cable is, indeed, subject to FCC regulation. However, it is less regulated than broadcast television, because, again, if you don't like the nature of cable, you have the option of cancelling it and no longer paying for it.

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And yet, filthy language, violence, and vivid sound effects of male gay sex (Angels In America--the Central Park at night scene, folks?) abound, and cable is not fined or regulated, all because politicians still are stuck in a time warp and believe that just b/c "cable isn't seen by as many peopleand therefore isn't as dangerous."
Ah yes, when in doubt, muck up all the gay fearmongering. As if vivid sound effects of heterosexual sex are any less "dangerous."

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if you don't like the nature of cable, you have the option of cancelling it and no longer paying for it.
Of course, none of these organizations there to protect me seem to understand that there really is an "off" button on their televisions.
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There's something wrong with the mind that enjoys offending people's sensibilities just for the "fun" of it. Oh yeah, that's right, it's called "being a jerk".
Agreed, in this instance. Someone was trying to push your buttons.

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And unfairly.
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And unfairly.
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - CBS Corp. said on Saturday it would broadcast the documentary "9/11" on the Internet as well as the airwaves after several affiliates said they would delay or forgo the award-winning film because it includes profanity.

The documentary was produced by French filmmakers Gedeon and Jules Naudet and retired New York firefighter James Hanlon and has aired twice without incurring fines by U.S. regulators charged with enforcing broadcast decency standards.

CBS said affiliates that cover about 10 percent of the United States had decided not broadcast the program or would show it late at night, citing concerns they could be fined for airing profanity, primarily by firefighters during the crisis, before 10 p.m.

The American Family Association, which describes itself as a Christian organization promoting traditional values, has called on CBS stations to forgo or delay the "9/11" broadcast.

"The online streaming of this broadcast will allow viewers in those markets to see the Peabody Award-winning special," CBS said in a statement. The network will air warnings about graphic language.

The film is scheduled to air on Sunday evening at 8 p.m.
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I must be a really, really, really bad person. Cause this is the reaction I get when I reveal just a tiny portion of my true view on things.

Honestly, I must be hellbound. But, at least I won't be in the same hell as the rest of you.

PUSHING YOUR BUTTONS!!!? THIS WHOLE FORUM PUSHES MY BUTTONS 24/7. But it's not within my control, so I go away for a while and do something else instead.

U280sisbest, you can be offended by me if you wish. I know you will. It's not all about you and your Christian beliefs. There are other Christians here. I'm one of them, after a fashion at least. After a crooked fashion.

In this case you can rest assured you have more friends than I do.
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I watched this last night and it was just as powerful as when I saw it the first time. And I don't really recall a whole bunch of swearing. I guess I was too busy freaking out and crying over seeing the planes slam into the towers, the sounds of people jumping to their deaths, the late Father Mychal Judge being carried out of the building by the firefighters, the towers crumbling, and so on.
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