martha
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You didn't answer my question. And there can be a discussion of alternatives without outlawing a woman's right to decide what happens to her own body.
U2Kitten said:Okay enough with the worst case scenario rhetoric, everyone knows there would always be exceptions for rape, incest, severe deformation of the fetus and health of the mother. Even most anti abortion people agree (including me)
Got any reliable statistics to back this up?U2Kitten said:
That doesn't change that 90-98% of all abortions in the US are for reasons of convenience.
martha said:
You are dreaming here. "Everyone" doesn't know this or believe it. Look deeper into the anti-choice movement. What you find out will scare the shit out of you.
Got any reliable statistics to back this up?
U2Kitten said:
Got any to discount it?
I believe a woman's choice is made when she decides whether or not to have sex if she is unprepared to parent the possible result. In that form, a woman can very rightfully decide what to do with her body. Condoms and birth control can reduce the risk of pregnancy - and I don't oppose either, but it's not a guarantee. I hear liberals talk a lot about righting past wrongs. So to go with that principle, instead of killing an innocent baby, we can provide alternatives to give that child not just any life, but a life worth living. I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it went to supporting unwanted children, especially if it allowed me to visit them, and let them know I care about them.martha said:You didn't answer my question. And there can be a discussion of alternatives without outlawing a woman's right to decide what happens to her own body.
Macfistowannabe said:I believe a woman's choice is made when she decides whether or not to have sex if she is unprepared to parent the possible result. In that form, a woman can very rightfully decide what to do with her body.
U2Kitten said:
See, THIS is why I cannot stomach the 'I'm against it but won't deny anyone else the choice' philosophy. To me that's like saying, 'I'd never kill my spouse, but if OJ decides to kill his, that's his choice, who am I to judge?' There are some things that are just plain WRONG and that's why we have laws against them, including murder, robbery, even drunk driving. Why is this the only bad thing made noble and left to 'choice?' I also have a big problem with the fact that the same legal system that allows the killing of a baby for convenience also forces me to wear a seat belt in the privacy of my own vehicle? What kind of double standard is that? My body my choice, remember?
Golightly Grrl said:Can someone please explain to me why it's selfish not to want a child or children?
Right onnbcrusader said:Why is the "I'm against it, but others should be allowed" argument only used for abortion? If you truly believe that principle, then it should apply to other things, like child rape. A harsh example, but one that underscores that failings of the principle.
starsgoblue said:
....which makes me think there is something much bigger going on. Too many women are calling because they are afraid...afraid of what their SO is going to do or try to make them do...afraid of what their family or other people are going to think...There is something wrong with a society that is supposedly so modern and yet it's women still feel a sense of helplessness when it comes to situations like this.
dandy said:
abortion is an imperfect means of dealing with a larger problem--women who end up pregnant against their will.
starsgoblue said:Abortion causes emotional scars though. I've had women call me who had had an abortion as much as 20 years ago and they are still hurting from it. Obviously it still bothers them if they've carried it around with them for that long....
From what I've witnessed this isn't something that liberates women at all...it seems to do the opposite in fact.
starsgoblue said:Abortion causes emotional scars though. I've had women call me who had had an abortion as much as 20 years ago and they are still hurting from it. Obviously it still bothers them if they've carried it around with them for that long....
dandy said:
i don't doubt that it does. some of my friends have been through it, and it was the hardest decision of their lives. it's not an easy decision to make, and i think most women innately understand this.
the pro-choice crowd doesn't think abortion is wonderful--they see it as a neccesary evil. when you're stuck between a rock and a hard place, no choice is easy.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
So their will had nothing to do with consensual sex? I'm beginning to side with Mac. on this point - with the miniscule number of rape and incest cases aside, women DO have the right to chose...to have sex or not.
MissMoo said:I disagree with the emotional scars thing. I have had an abortion and I don't regret it at all. I also know of at least five other women who have had them and nope, no regrets. Which sounds flippant, but that's because this topic gets way too judgemental about something that is an individuals choice.
MissMoo said:I disagree with the emotional scars thing. I have had an abortion and I don't regret it at all. I also know of at least five other women who have had them and nope, no regrets. Which sounds flippant, but that's because this topic gets way too judgemental about something that is an individuals choice.
nbcrusader said:Why is the "I'm against it, but others should be allowed" argument only used for abortion? If you truly believe that principle, then it should apply to other things, like child rape. A harsh example, but one that underscores that failings of the principle.
Can someone please explain to me why it's selfish not to want a child or children?
Originally posted by starsgoblue
It's not selfish to not want one.
But I guess, and I'm playing devil's advocate, why is adoption not an option or such a bad idea? Abortion can and does cause a risk to the woman and it's a final and permanent decision. One choice ends a life. Another choice can give a life a chance.
There's a BIG difference here. Child rape involves someone using power to inflict pain, suffering on someone else. Abortion is your own decision, what YOU do to your own body.nbcrusader said:Why is the "I'm against it, but others should be allowed" argument only used for abortion? If you truly believe that principle, then it should apply to other things, like child rape. A harsh example, but one that underscores that failings of the principle.
u2lassie said:
There's a BIG difference here. Child rape involves someone using power to inflict pain, suffering on someone else. Abortion is your own decision, what YOU do to your own body.
u2lassie said:
There's a BIG difference here. Child rape involves someone using power to inflict pain, suffering on someone else. Abortion is your own decision, what YOU do to your own body.