Macfistowannabe
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Flying FuManchu
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As a conservative Christian, do you still "love" televangelists- even the most shameless and/or corrupt. Like how're you're supposed to love your neighbor and all that?
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BonoVoxSupastar said:
I posted after seeing repeated posts after the "you don't own the thread comment". It wasn't directed at you.
Back to the topic:
Q: Does any creed adequately represent a statement of faith for you?
Flying FuManchu
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Also, do you as a Christian compartmentalize your religious beliefs/ faith?
Flying FuManchu
New Yorker
As a Christian, what are your feelings or how do you feel when you see or hear sacreligious things said about Jesus or God- to the point of being blasphemous. Examples: Cursing out God, Jesus, etc. Massive atheistic proclamations and mocking of your faith?
beau2ifulday
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You said you are not against the death penalty - do you find that the death penalty is an issue that is much agreed on or much disputed over by those whom you worship/have worshipped with?
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Liesje
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Macfistowannabe said:
I think their cat orgy ad was feckin hilarious!
Anyway, I believe in the ethical treatment of animals, but an animal is still an animal - not made in the image of God. I don't have a religious problem killing and eating animals. I don't care if people wear fur, but I don't like it when killing for fur makes a species extinct or endangered b/c personally I just love animals and I don't want them gone forever. I guess religiously, I believe animals were made for humans, to be food, pets, helpers w/ work, etc.
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nbcrusader said:
My bad, thanks for clearing that up, bad day at work.
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Flying FuManchu said:
I guess I would say it like MArtin Luther King Jr - I don't LIKE them but I LOVE them. I don't think love has to mean you want to be in some relationship w/ someone or always are emphathetic towards them; rather, you acknowledge that as human beings you were both created equally in the image of God.
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nbcrusader said:
The Apostles' Creed....ok, that's a cop out! I accept the Nicene Creed. I would say my faith is most influenced by the theology of John Calvin, Friederich Schleiermacher (his understanding of prayer...something I struggled with and he made it so clear), and Jonathan Edwards (his understanding of free will). My church also loves the Heidelberg Catechism and will often use questions/answers in place of a Scripture passage for a service. This is a pretty good summary:
Question 1. What is thy only comfort in life and death?
Answer: That I with body and soul, both in life and death, (a) am not my own, (b) but belong unto my faithful Saviour Jesus Christ; (c) who, with his precious blood, has fully satisfied for all my sins, (d) and delivered me from all the power of the devil; (e) and so preserves me (f) that without the will of my heavenly Father, not a hair can fall from my head; (g) yea, that all things must be subservient to my salvation, (h) and therefore, by his Holy Spirit, He also assures me of eternal life, (i) and makes me sincerely willing and ready, henceforth, to live unto him. (j)
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Flying FuManchu said:
Can you be more specific?
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Flying FuManchu said:
I don't really "feel" anything because how could I make someone who's not a Christian care whether or not they say "oh my God" all the time? Personally, I try not to use words like God, Jesus, Christ, or Lord in that way because I don't think it's right. As for mocking of my faith, I think it's rather sad that some people choose to just mock others' beliefs. I think it's pretty cowardly and it doesn't really offend me, I just feel bad for the other person b/c they feel the need to stoop to that level.
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beau2ifulday said:
Usually, it's a 50/50 split, but it's not really debated here b/c we don't have the death penalty and there doesn't seem to be a push to change this even if a lot of people still think it's OK. Homosexuality and abortion are much "hotter" topics.
Edit: oh, and I am against the death penalty. Maybe there was a typo in my other post.
Spiral_Staircase
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Do you attend any of the following colleges:
Calvin
Hope
Northwestern (IA)
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Calvin
Hope
Northwestern (IA)
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Spiral_Staircase said:
yes
Spiral_Staircase
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I knew I should have put some money down on that guess!
Anyway, I was a little surprised when you stated that you're not evangelical, because you seem to identify closely with your denomination. I don't know a lot about the Christian Reformed Church in America, but here's what I do know:
1. Everybody's last name is Van der Something
2. They're all over Michigan and NW Iowa
3. They're big into Calvin
4. It's generally considered an evangelical denomination (for example, they're a member denomination of the National Association of Evangelicals).
So the question is...do you disagree with your denomination's "evangelicalism", or do you just feel like the term "evangelical" has been hijacked by "fundamentalists" and thus want to distance yourself from that label?
Anyway, I was a little surprised when you stated that you're not evangelical, because you seem to identify closely with your denomination. I don't know a lot about the Christian Reformed Church in America, but here's what I do know:
1. Everybody's last name is Van der Something
2. They're all over Michigan and NW Iowa
3. They're big into Calvin
4. It's generally considered an evangelical denomination (for example, they're a member denomination of the National Association of Evangelicals).
So the question is...do you disagree with your denomination's "evangelicalism", or do you just feel like the term "evangelical" has been hijacked by "fundamentalists" and thus want to distance yourself from that label?
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Spiral_Staircase said:
1. Yes, there are a lot of "van der XXXXX". My name is also Dutch, but does not have "van der".
2. Yes, right again.
3. Yes, most of what we believe has its roots in John Calvin's theology, although I personally believe people have stretched it quite far and consider myself to be a "true" Calvinist in that I believe in the theology of Calvin himself, not other theologians' reinterpretations or Canons, etc.
4. I'm not really an evangelical and I'm not sure where my denomination or church in particular stands as far as our "evangelicalism", but in my experience we were never taught "evangelical" traditions in my church or the Christian Reformed schools I attended. Maybe the Christian Reformed churches of my community are much different than the standard. As you can see on the denomination's website http://www.crcna.org/whoweare/beliefs/index.asp?WhoWeAreMenu our churches are defined by the Belgic Confessions, Canons of Dort, and Heidelberg Catechism. I've never heard the word "evangelical" used to describe our denomination, but I suppose we could be a member of the organization you listed since there are some things/goals we have in common.
U2Bama
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Have you read Rick Warren's THE PURPOSE DRIVEN LIFE? I ask this not because of the recent media attention but because of the Calvinist influence on your spiritual life and the fact that, although Warren doesn't come out and say it, it seems that Calvin's teachings on predestination of one's entire life are a huge influence on Warren's message.
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U2Bama said:
No, I've heard all about it but not read it. I should note that many people misunderstand Calvin's idea of predestination though. I prefer to read Calvin's writing on predestination than someone else on Calvin's predestination.
najeena
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LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
Since when is being sick (an addict) akin to being greedy? The very definition of addict means that you are not in control. What kind of church scorns the sick?
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najeena said:
Greed is an addiction just like alcohol, drugs, sex, you name it. Churches should scorn no one.
U2Bama
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LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:
I would like to read Calvin's writings on predestination myself, to see just where it does call in with the Warrens and the Presbyterians in this part of the U.S. But as I mentioned, Rick Warren's book does not claim to base itself on Calvinist thought.
~U2Alabama
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U2Bama said:
Yes, and I'm not picking on you, I'd like to just use this as an example of why people often have such negative views of Calvinism - because they're reading things that aren't truly Calvinist and making incorrect assumptions. I've met plenty of people who think Calvinists believe that God picks and chooses who exactly to save and not save, or that every decision you make is controlled by God. These aren't true of Calvinism.
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