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Old 05-29-2004, 12:50 PM   #16
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Nothing like the gift of criticism...

If we didn't get a warning, the article would read, "why didn't they tell us"

If we are hit with a terror attack, the article would read, "why didn't they stop it"

If the attack is prevented, but individuals not directly involved are arrested, the article would read, "we live in a police state"

If the attack is prevented, and only the "bad guys" are arrested, the article would not be written.


pre 9/11... why didn't the government tell us?
post 9/11... the color system is stupid, the government is just trying to scare us by promoting their culture of fear.

it's a no win situation.
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Old 05-30-2004, 01:54 PM   #17
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When you think about it, 18,000 is really not a whole lot of people. That's the average attendance for 1 single hockey game.

Countries have lost upwards of 50,000 in one single battle. Numbers like 18,000 aren't a whole lot.
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since we are doing math exercises


18,000 devided by 19* equals how many 9/11s
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To be fair
- Numbers games should include the millions of people that die annually of easily preventable diseases.
- Since september 11 there have been around 5500 deaths from terrorism around the world. Add this to those killed in september 11 and you have 8500. Take the war on terror (Afghanistan, not Iraq) as a yardstick and your civilian deaths inflicted are less than those of the terrorists.
- Iraq on the other hand some 15,000 civilians have been killed in the past year and a bit of fighting. This contrasts to the 70,000 that would have been murdered by the Regime itself, not sanctions, more lives are saved through these actions in the short term as well as the long term and we should not be measuring those innocents killed unintentionally in war against those killed with deliberate intent for mass murder.

I will not get into the "one death is a tradgedy/million deaths a statistic" Stalin quote because every death is a tradgedy outright. We can only hope that in the long run what we do is right and that we can do more good than bad with the tools at our disposal.
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since we are doing math exercises


18,000 devided by 19* equals how many 9/11s
This is the proper perspective
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Nothing like the gift of criticism...

If we didn't get a warning, the article would read, "why didn't they tell us"

If we are hit with a terror attack, the article would read, "why didn't they stop it"

If the attack is prevented, but individuals not directly involved are arrested, the article would read, "we live in a police state"

If the attack is prevented, and only the "bad guys" are arrested, the article would not be written.
OK, this is going to be slightly off-topic, but somehow I feel that the next thing belongs in here. This next article disturbs me. It's from the Boston Globe. Here's someone who's known to be a terror suspect and they just let him go!

As said, from the Boston Globe:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...yr_attack?pg=2

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Administration freed terror suspect despite evidence he planned 'martyr' attack

By John Soloman | June 2, 2004

WASHINGTON -- Nabil al-Marabh was No. 27 on the FBI's list of terror suspects after Sept. 11. He trained in Afghanistan's militant camps, sent money to a roommate convicted in a foiled plot to bomb a hotel and boasted to an informant about plans to blow up a fuel truck inside a New York tunnel, FBI documents allege.

The Bush administration set him free -- to Syria -- even though prosecutors had sought to bring criminal cases against him and judges openly expressed concerns about possible terrorist ties.

Al-Marabh served an eight-month jail sentence and was sent in January to his native Syria, which is regarded by the United States as a sponsor of terrorism. The quiet disposition of his case stands in stark contrast to the language FBI agents used to describe the man.

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Asked to explain the decision to free al-Marabh, Justice spokesman Bryan Sierra said the government has concerns about many people with suspected terror ties but cannot effectively try them in court without giving away intelligence sources and methods.
So before there's even another terrorist attack, there's already an article reading, "why don't they stop it".
I mean, there are hundreds of people in Guantanamo Bay who aren't prosecuted at all, who have been thrown into prison without charges/definite guilt. And yet, there's this person who is a terrorist, and he is set free.

Can someone explain this to me?



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