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Old 12-16-2003, 02:48 PM   #31
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The display should be in the context of the museum - an Air & Space museum.
Which goes back to my original post, just use a regular B-29 not the Enola Gay.
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Old 12-16-2003, 02:56 PM   #32
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There's another good reason for this. The Enola Gay was modified to carry the Atomic bomb, so it's not an average B-29. It had it's turrets removed for less drag and more speed (like many B-29's later on in the war and the later models) among other alterations.
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Would anyone argue that it would be appropriate for a firearm museum to display Lee Harvey Oswald's Mannlicher-Carcano rifle without a display stating that it was the rifle that killed JFK? Having a display acknowledging the dropping of the atomic bomb is not an act of self-flagellation, but rather a complete history of the plane on display.
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The profound failure of humanity was an Emperor who thought he was god and the people who worshiped him.
What does that mean? And where exactly are you going with it?

It is a profound failure of humanity(one of many) , that there came a moment when an atomic bomb was or seemed to be the solution. War is a failure of humanity.
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No one is arguing that the connection between the Enola Gay and the atomic bomb should be erased.

But to go one with a display passing judgment on whether it was appropriate to use the atomic bomb is best left for another forum.

Using a regular B29 does not resolve the issue. Many were involved with the fire bomb raids on Tokyo. Many civilians died in those raids.
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You think that to acknowledge the thousands killed by the use of atomic weapons is to pass judgement? I would say that to omit that information is passing judgement: the judgement that those thousands of lives were expendable.
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And like iacrobat, I'd like to hear nbc explain some more about that comment.
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You think that to acknowledge the thousands killed by the use of atomic weapons is to pass judgement? I would say that to omit that information is passing judgement: the judgement that those thousands of lives were expendable.
Great. Sounds like information for a display of the atomic bombs.
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What does that mean? And where exactly are you going with it?

I think I'll let you ponder this further. But consider the number of people who died because the Emperor declared a divine nature and the people belived him.




And if you condemn the use of the atomic bomb in this situation, work through the alternative solutions available in 1945.
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It also sounds like information for a display exhibiting the plane used to deliver the atomic bomb in question. If the plane isn't being displayed to draw attention to the use of atomic weapons then why is it important to display this particular plane - why not any of the other B29s in existance?
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I think Edinburgh Castle should remove that huge ass Cannon it is offensive to me.

I think the tower of London should remove all of the weapons from their armory....It is wrong to use such things to draw tourists to them.


Museums like this are horrific.



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For starters, it's Edinburgh, but we'll leave that one aside.

In any case, I'm not arguing against displaying the plane. I'm arguing that to display it without putting it in its proper context (that is, stating that it was the plane used to drop atomic weapons and acknowledging the human cost of that action) is misleading. If my argument had been that displaying the plane at all is inappropriate perhaps your reply would be relevant, but given that I was merely arguing for it to be put in its proper context, to complain that you're offended by the display of weapons is really a whole other subject.
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Why should it matter....what the weapon?
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I'm not against showing weapons. I still have fond memories of seeing that cannon at Edinburgh Castle, which is one of my favorite places on the planet. My ethnic background is partially Scottish. I don't mind the info that goes with the displays either.
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Why should it matter....what the weapon?
You don't think there's a difference between a cannon and a weapon of mass destruction?
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