dazzlingamy
Refugee
^ i agree!
dazzlingamy said:Uhm what do you think we should do? He's not our president, he doesn't control anything to do with us, so what should we do?
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Irvine511 said:
or we could say that we hold American leadership to higher standards? does this surprise you?
Irvine511 said:
i really don't know what your'e getting at. you're basically making the statement that the president of the United States is more rational than the president of Iran. are you surprised by this?
Muldfeld said:
Get over the nationalism. Ahmadinejad may be a fool sometimes, and he has made some stupid comments about the Holocaust and wiping Israel off the map, but he clearly doesn't hate Jews.
Muldfeld said:
It happened and it was terrible, but it's also been used to allow Jewish people to victimize others because they supposedly have a monopoly on suffering. How about how the US media has tacitly ignored the suffereing they've helped to inflict on the Palestinian peoples. Like it or not, the US is directly responsible for proping up Israeli governments with billions of dollars of aid to allow them to occupy Palestinians. This is grossly immoral, but no one talks about it; that's as good as denying the Palestinians' suffering to this day.
maycocksean said:
I'm sure you didn't mean to say all that. But it's what I heard.
Muldfeld said:melon said:
Also, if I were poor and desperate, I'd be chanting death to whomever, too. How many Americans have been chanting death to the Middle East for decades! They just use coded language and speak at family gatherings.
this is bullshit. total bullshit. most Americans are too busy going to work and taking care of their families than chanting "death to Iran" around the dinner table.
i admire many of your points and i think you offer a valuable perspective, but i don't think you're going to succeed much in equivocating between Joe American and the dispossessed of the Arab Street. i know where much of the anger comes from, but you're probably much better off looking at your own mullahs and mosques instead of trying to distil everything through the prism of "America is Bad" -- you're not going to get anywhere if you keep up the myopia and try to locate the US as the sole source of all evil in the world.
CTU2fan said:Personally I hold our President to a higher standard than the leader of any other nation...why would you not hold your own country's leader to the highest standard? Sadly, Bush has fallen far short of that standard. If we're forced to compare our President to the leader in Iran or wherever in order to make him look good, that's pretty depressing.
CTU2fan said:Personally I hold our President to a higher standard than the leader of any other nation...why would you not hold your own country's leader to the highest standard? Sadly, Bush has fallen far short of that standard. If we're forced to compare our President to the leader in Iran or wherever in order to make him look good, that's pretty depressing.
toscano said:
Almost as depressing as "oh well, of course he's going to say something stupid, he's Iran's leader after all, you know how those Iranians are, our nation is better than everyone else so our leaders have to be better"
Double standards abounding.......
toscano said:
Almost as depressing as "oh well, of course he's going to say something stupid, he's Iran's leader after all, you know how those Iranians are, our nation is better than everyone else so our leaders have to be better"
Double standards abounding.......
The Disciple said:Ahmadinejad is probably bitter about being hung like a 2 year old.
The old revolution took out quite a few as well; creating a pure islamic society (with no homosexuality LOL) requires purging troublesome intellectuals and dissident groups; one should hope that the fact that this clerical autocracy attacked leftists should prevent them from making common cause - but a minority seems more than happy to cooperate with violent bigoted religious morons when they say the right stuff about a common enemy.So some hostages were taken. Regrettable, but Iran didn't kill anyone the way Americans are responsible for brutal repression and the deaths of surely thousands in Iranian history.
toscano said:
You need your hearing SERIOUSLY checked.
I got the name from my boss, he's Iranian.
MrsSpringsteen said:This is what happens to gay people in Iran
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/09/theyll_kill_me_.html
And women have it better there than in many other countries in the world, according to Ahmadinejad.
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:Last thing I saw of Iran was a video showing young students who were hung on the street.
Well, the death sentence in the U.S. isn´t much better.
Two criminals called Prez meet. Who cares. Ahmadinejad isn´t any better than Bush.
Irvine511 said:and it's statements like this that does more harm to leftists politics than good. it's statements like this that enable moderates and conservatives to dismiss everyone on the left as silly postmodern relativists.
Irvine511 said:i have to assume that's what you meant, since Ahmadinejad has no actual power --
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
and so what i don´t give a fuck for leftists or their statements that enable morons to dismiss whatever they think they are obliged to dismiss
your president is a killer, and to continue a war you can´t win (=to let young soldiers die) is just as cruel as supporting extremist terrorists
the guy from Iran is a killer too
that´s all that counts in my book
melon said:
However, Iran's attitude towards gays, while officially hostile in every Muslim country, is certainly one of the top offenders, along with Saudi Arabia. The fact that he has the audacity to deny that they even exist in Iran is a combination of that religion-derived hostility with communist-era ideology, as most communist nations considered homosexuality to be a bourgeois cultural construct related to the excesses of capitalism. Undoubtedly, the subtext of saying that homosexuals don't exist in Iran corresponds to him believing that it is merely a perversion of the West. That just makes him--and all others who think like him--seem even more ridiculous than they already are.
diamond said:
I've pondered the matter quite extensively within the outter reaches of my intellect.
Irvine511 said:
and with that, you're every bit as simplistic as Bush.