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Old 11-25-2001, 09:01 PM   #1
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* It hit me the other day why "God Bless America," out of all the trite phrases used in this war, makes me a bit uneasy. Perhaps this is me pulling things out of proportion, but, to me, that phrase seems like some people are trying to make this out to be a "holy war." I've never understood how anyone could equate war with religion. Secular defense necessities, yes. Holy war, no.

* My priest back home, apparently, went on a tirade about the evilness of Harry Potter, on the premise that it talks about witchcraft. Perhaps I've always been a bit odd, but I used to read lots of fiction that dealt with the supernatural, with some hints of witchcraft. Not once did I ever consider any of it to be real. In fact, I didn't know people were still "witches" until I hit college. Likewise, I once met a girl, who told me that she thought the Bible was fiction and that Church was a weekly stage play until she hit college. I did find that to be a bit odd, but I guess it shows you that most people really don't take what they read seriously.

However, I did find my priest's reactionary hysteria to Harry Potter a bit disconcerting, further turning me off to organized Christianity. And, silly me, I thought the book/film bannings went away with Vatican II. I guess some habits die hard.

* I took a vacation from the forum, and I realized that I didn't miss it once. I'm sure some, perhaps, noticed my absence, and I'm considering making it permanent. There was something refreshing about living in a world without the internet, and, perhaps still, I'm happier without it. Regardless, I notoriously change my mind, and, even if I did decide to leave one day, I doubt I'd tell anyone, if only because I would be more tempted to return as a result.

* I realized, one day, that I'm really tired of being smart. Unfortunately, the problem with that is that once knowledge goes in, it's a hell of a time trying to forget it. In fact, with all the education I've received, I really want to pursue two jobs unrelated to my degree: modeling and screenwriting. Perhaps it is silly, but I almost think that I enjoy intellectualism as a hobby over a profession. Is it wrong to find pleasure in the silly things of life, when, within your mind, you, potentially, have the recipes to change the world?

* I really love photography at a philosophical and artistic level. I love capturing moments in time, and nothing pleases me more than capturing the human figure in action. I took 152 pictures of wrestling the other weekend, and I'm almost astounded how these tiny fractions of a second permanently burned on film have turned out so beautiful. It was quite chaotic in person, but a graceful tribute to man in film. Funny how things change via different media.

Melon

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"He had lived through an age when men and women with energy and ruthlessness but without much ability or persistence excelled. And even though most of them had gone under, their ignorance had confused Roy, making him wonder whether the things he had striven to learn, and thought of as 'culture,' were irrelevant. Everything was supposed to be the same: commercials, Beethoven's late quartets, pop records, shopfronts, Freud, multi-coloured hair. Greatness, comparison, value, depth: gone, gone, gone. Anything could give some pleasure; he saw that. But not everything provided the sustenance of a deeper understanding." - Hanif Kureishi, Love in a Blue Time
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Old 11-25-2001, 09:17 PM   #2
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Melon,
As far as the Harry Potter thing goes, the reasons Christians and Jews object is because the Bible expressly forbids sorcery, and specifically mentions things that are done in the Harry Potter books and movie. This movie glorifies sorcery and sends the message that it's okay.
Also, I feel so bad that you are having such a hard time because you are so smart. I guess it's a curse you must bear in order to enlighten the rest of us.

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Old 11-25-2001, 09:35 PM   #3
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Hmmm...

I think that obsessing over condemnation of Harry Potter and telling people it's sorcery is more likely to stir up people to consider conversion to witchcraft than if it were left alone. I think that Harry Potter glorifies sorcery no differently than the Bible glorifies genocide in the book of Joshua--basically, people see these as stories, rather than an ideal to try and recreate. I think we need to give people a little more credit intellectually than we give them. I highly doubt there will be a mass conversion to Wicca as a result of Harry Potter, but, most certainly, you may get a whole new generation of youngsters turned off to Christianity if it condemns their favorite fiction hero any further.

And I hope that line #2 isn't sarcasm...

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Old 11-25-2001, 09:39 PM   #4
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New addenda:

* I've found it interesting the number of Interferencers I've talked to who have complimented me on my various postings on this forum, but have never posted here themselves. I've asked them all why, and it's because they think they'd get bullied around. I have noticed a very strong conservative element in this forum the past few months, perhaps only accelerated since Sept. 11th. I've wondered if such a realization should disconcert people here; that if enough people are not comfortable to free their mind, perhaps some changes must be made informally by the posters here? The sometimes acidic remarks here, often compounded by sarcasm, surely contribute to this implicit ostracism.

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Old 11-25-2001, 09:44 PM   #5
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... Not all Catholic priests are created equal!

My dear "Monsignor Gerrie" at my Catholic Church AND School allows Harry Potter books. Theres a mess of them in the library.
He also has a children's Halloween Festival,...Witches, gouls, and all.

It actually DID concern THIS psuedo-liberal Catholic, in fact.... So I asked him about it. He calmly looked at me and with a warm smile said, "If they don't want to read it, or take part in a festival... They don't have to!"

... I... didn't know what else to say... So I just shut up.




BTW, what's "addenda"??? Am I stupid for not knowing what that is?


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Hmmm...
And I hope that line #2 isn't sarcasm...
Yes, Melon, line 2 is sarcasm, but not in the way you might think. I have no doubt that you are intelligent. What I was talking about was this continuous drone of yours "oh woe is me...it is so difficult to be so damn smart". Melon, have you never heard of ...humility...modesty? I think those two characteristics are much more important in a person than "book smarts". Maybe you don't know it, but it gets awfully tiring hearing from your own lips how intelligent you are. And no, I don't feel bad about this bit of sarcasm, because this one was in direct response to you rather than the way I had been know to do it in the past, hit and run "behind your back".
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This thread is simply a "stream of consciousness" thread, about my various complaints/observations of life. First of all, I am smart, and I'm not going to be apologetic and/or "modest" about it, quite simply in the same way you aren't "modest" about the fact that you are "Christian" on this forum. Can you say "humility" and "modesty" yourself? But that's right. A true Christian shoves his/her beliefs in everyone's face. That's what the Bible commands, so it's not arrogant, yes?

I have grown to hate this forum really, and it is about petty shit like this. This place is fucking "Free Your Mind" for God's sake, and all I ever do in here anymore is defend semantical ideas anymore, rather than issues. Rather than delve as to whether knowledge is a curse or a blessing (society exults it, but Ecclesiastes, for instance, laments it) for anyone really, now it's about two-faced sarcasm and the fact that I didn't sugar-coat everything in modesty over the fact that I think I'm smart. Brilliance as always emanating from this insipid macabre of a forum, whitewashed in a right-wing kind of political correctness.

I remember why I came into this forum in the first place, but, honestly, I question why I even keep on posting here.

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i don't know if i'm smart enough to be posting in here.
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no honestly melon some interesting thoughts.
your 'world without the internet', i'm curious as to what media you are exposing yourself to? or by media do you simply mean avoiding this particular site?

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Screenwriting.........going to conform at all to the type of scripts that get bought or keep it personal as possible?

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You dont like sugar coating.

Good.

Your post is the most egotistical post i have ever read.

Hey, news flash this forum will survive without you as you will survive without it. Its only a forum not your purpose in life.

And when you come in here and post like this you cant be looking for anything but agrevation from the people you know hate you for the "big head" you posses.

I have left this forum because its full of alot of shit and meaningless posts, coupled with how busy i am. But to respond to this is my pleasure!

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Mr. Melon is a glutton for punishment, methinks.
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New addenda:

* I've found it interesting the number of Interferencers I've talked to who have complimented me on my various postings on this forum, but have never posted here themselves. I've asked them all why, and it's because they think they'd get bullied around. I have noticed a very strong conservative element in this forum the past few months, perhaps only accelerated since Sept. 11th. I've wondered if such a realization should disconcert people here; that if enough people are not comfortable to free their mind, perhaps some changes must be made informally by the posters here? The sometimes acidic remarks here, often compounded by sarcasm, surely contribute to this implicit ostracism.

Melon

I am one of the people Melon was talking about. I read FYM but I don't usually post here because I consider it to be a hostile place. I don't feel comfortable sharing my views here because I feel like people would just bash me and I am not the only one who feels that way.

There was nothing wrong with what Melon posted in this thread. I think some of you just have a knee-jerk negative reaction to anything he posts and it is constantly having to defend himself against people like you that is making him hate the forum and want to leave. You are wearing him out. He has a right to his opinions even if they happen to be different from yours and he has a right to express those opinions. I'm sorry if some of the things he said came across as being "arrogant" to you but I know Melon a bit better than most of you and I know that he is not arrogant and it was not his intention to come across that way. Melon is a great asset to this forum whether you realize it or not. You all need to get off his case.

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Calluna babe, and melon babe. Im wondering if it is personal. I dont think it is. I think folks are just sick of the same tired arguments over and over again. I tend to see more shit fly over an argument/point that has already been flogged, whether it is something as specific and personal as melon's intelligence or as broad and debatable as catholicism in the year 2001. They become arguments because of a couple of reasons: its been argued already, or because there is no conclusion. Many things debated here have no answer, we would all agree. But too often the gist of the reply is 'thats wrong, cos this is how I see it...' Its not so much a place for offering opinions as it is a place to recieve a lecture on why your belief is wrong. Perhaps thats just me. I do know that a few times Ive made comments about this or that and have been attacked then again because I wont back down on it. Which is where I can understand your hesitance in replying here. Then there is the times you have something valid to offer but it goes unnoticed. But you just shrug it off. I really dont see melon as more intelligent because of his topics. I do believe he is a very smart and well read individual. But the shining point is his skills in arguing or putting forward ideas. If people are intimidated by that, they shouldn't be. Anyone can out together a well thought out and planned response, but probably cant be bothered. If people could just ignore the things they dont like, it would be easier for them. There are many things that are boring to me on this forum and others, but you just ignore them. No need for anyone to attack or make things personal. I dont like the idea that you dont feel comfortable with replying here. I can see why, but its not right. You have an opinion as valid and legitimate as anyone else, you may have your own style of writing too, and no one should jump on you for it. Same with melon. If he feels its all been said and he has nothing to offer, I dont agree. Its not what people say but how its recieved that's the problem.

Maybe we could add a mix of things not political or relgious to balance it all out.

Oh, and an addenda or addendum is like an appendix, or something added.
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Not to nitpick or anything, but addenda is the plural form of addendum.

Anyway, I believe that Angela is right in her assessment of what causes these things. But it can be very intimidating for someone new to this forum to try to voice their opinion that has already been discussed before because some of the oldies immediately get up in arms about it. Then again, I have nothing against people getting a bit riled up when provoked, if they state their case in an intelligent and well thought out manner. That's why two of my favourite posters are Melon and 80sU2IsBest, as weird as that may sound.

But sometimes it does get pretty damn ugly in here, which is why I recently dissappeared for a couple of months. This, however, is usually caused by individuals who are not interested in participating in discussions that are not highly flammable. That's when the mudslinging begins, and yes, it gets to me too. A bit of teasing and provocation is okay, but there are unfortunately also people here with one hell of a mean streak. I try to avoid them, but it's hard not to take offense sometimes.

*trying to think of a clever way of wrapping up this post*

Well... toodles!
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hahah klod babeeeee, not to nitpick or anything, but melon's post WAS plural!!!! Yes, I am always right. Concede now. Kidding...

All I want to add is that its very sad that people wont post here or are turned off. Like melon so eloquently put it, this is f***ing free your mind. Like Mitsubishi said, "Please Consider"
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