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Old 04-15-2016, 01:05 AM   #706
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This is the most important post of the past several pages.

This isn't the first time you've tried to make a point about that, and this isn't the first time where I am going to point out that the numbers simply don't agree. Sanders does far better with independents. Right now, the bulk majority of the independent crowd is looking at Sanders and Trump.

It's why Sanders is killing Trump head to head. They share supporters. It's the confusing but true statement I've made a few times...
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Sanders does far better with independents. Right now, the bulk majority of the independent crowd is looking at Sanders
I am sure Sanders will remain to do so until someone starts targeting him and zero in on the flaws in his campaign.
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This isn't the first time you've tried to make a point about that, and this isn't the first time where I am going to point out that the numbers simply don't agree. Sanders does far better with independents. Right now, the bulk majority of the independent crowd is looking at Sanders and Trump.

It's why Sanders is killing Trump head to head. They share supporters. It's the confusing but true statement I've made a few times...


The person who also does well in the general is Kasich. Why? He and Sanders are comparatively unknown and unvetted. As opposed to the rest who are very well known and very well vetted. Sanders and Kasich will have much further to fall when voters are given a side-by-side comparison in the fall.

The strongest argument for either candidate is winning in the general. We can all agree that it's important to flip such a conservative SCOTUS and keep Trump/Cruz out of the WH. I don't buy that national polls taken today are the best indicator of who could do that.
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It's why Sanders is killing Trump head to head. They share supporters. It's the confusing but true statement I've made a few times...

If this is true then we're done for... Socialism or Authoritarianism? Are our independents truly this mindless that these two choices are equal?


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I know the NY Post is a Murdoch rag, but fuck me, I would have thought an editorial endorsement for the fucking president of the "free world" would have a minute shred of substance, or have a reading comprehension higher than a five-year-old.
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I am sure Sanders will remain to do so until someone starts targeting him and zero in on the flaws in his campaign.


Can someone name a policy he's proposed, that's much different from hers, that's concrete and specific and that you're confident he would enact as president.

For all the complaints 6 months ago that Bernie was being ignored by the media, it may have worked well to his advantage. He was never tied down to give specifics, he rolled along on powerful, barn burning speeches and ideas that were galvanizing to his base. The scrutiny is only beginning. We'll see how well he does. He's awfully smart and a good politician.
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If this is true then we're done for... Socialism or Authoritarianism? Are our independents truly this mindless that these two choices are equal?


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Independents think of themselves as open minded -- they tend to like new candidates until they get to know them.
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I know the NY Post is a Murdoch rag, but fuck me, I would have thought an editorial endorsement for the fucking president of the "free world" would have a minute shred of substance, or have a reading comprehension higher than a five-year-old.

Like the Washington Times, the New York Post is considered to have literally no credibility whatsoever.


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The majority of the people who will decide this election don't vote in primaries and don't respond to polling questions.

They're the average unaffiliated suburban baby boomer, and they can and have been swayed easily in either direction based on the candidate.
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Because facts and policy was discussed?
You know something, I'll engage with Irvine because while I disagree with him on a number of important points in this particular primary race, I respect that he is thoughtful, measured, and challenges me in ways that constantly make me re-evaluate my positions in a constructive manner. There are a number of good contributors to this board who do that, liberals and moderates alike.

You are not one of those people. The one-liners and condescension wore thin about eight years ago, even on topics where we largely agree (of which there are plenty). I've been here for ten years, if even I haven't made it clear to you by this point that I'm not some moron on a crusade who won't listen to reason, I think it's clear that the problem isn't on my end.
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You know something, I'll engage with Irvine because while I disagree with him on a number of important points in this particular primary race, I respect that he is thoughtful, measured, and challenges me in ways that constantly make me re-evaluate my positions in a constructive manner. There are a number of good contributors to this board who do that, liberals and moderates alike.

You are not one of those people. The one-liners and condescension wore thin about eight years ago, even on topics where we largely agree (of which there are plenty). I've been here for ten years, if even I haven't made it clear to you by this point that I'm not some moron on a crusade who won't listen to reason, I think it's clear that the problem isn't on my end.

You made a silly comment, I responded with a tongue in cheek comment. I'm sorry you took it for anything else.


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This election is tearing us apart!!!!
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This election is tearing us apart!!!!
No shit. WTF.

I guess we should all just clear the air and talk about what we don't like about each other now.
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