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Old 03-01-2016, 08:20 AM   #931
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Even Glenn Beck is reposting Oliver's clip. When Beck comes off as the reasonable one, you know you've fucked up. Barring any major event, it looks like Trump and his minions will have successfully destroyed the right, or even worse set the country on fire.


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Old 03-01-2016, 09:22 AM   #932
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Something about John Oliver sits uncomfortably with me. I think it's just that every single time he does something it's a race between people desperate to fall over themselves to prove that they're so wonderfully progressive by sharing the video on facebook. I mean if this was just a dude without much backing ranting insightfully somewhere that would be great but I would wager a good amount of money that at least 95 per cent of what he says is written by the show's writers, and the whole thing just comes off a little disingenuous to me.
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I don't find John Oliver to be all that, even when I broadly agree with him. He lays it on awfully thick, and some of his targets don't even seem to me to warrant the effort (not commenting on whatever that Trump clip is about). He had some bit about Johnny Depp's dogs that one time, and I'm like 'who the fuck cares?'
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- 98 percent of the jokes are just similes.
- The marketing masquerading as activism. Getting a trending hashtag for a day every few weeks is great for getting people to watch Last Week Tonight videos, but it doesn't actually effect any change in the way people (including him) insist it does.

I liked what he was doing at the beginning when he was going into detail on stories people were unfamiliar with, but it's gotten formulaic. The Trump thing was fine because he's in the rare position where he can just sit there for 22 straight, uninterrupted minutes and get into detail about how badly Trump sucks, but it's not really all that notable beyond that.
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Old 03-01-2016, 11:48 AM   #933
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Oh I see what you mean. We're in total agreeance. I'm just saying I don't get the endless praise every single time John Oliver so much as lifts a finger. I think Colbert's style of taking down right-wingers is/was much funnier and more effective.
I dunno, I've seen John Oliver's piece on Trump shared and enthusiastically approved by some very conservative family members (Ted Cruz and Ben Carson fans), so I don't think it's just "progressives masturbating progressives" as you say.
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Oh, I still see much more paradise for Colbert or Stewart, but hey everyone has to bring their own style.
I don't know, man. When Stewart or Colbert would have a good bit, I'd see it reposted a couple of times, but it seems like every episode of Oliver's show warrants 5,000 different social media posts from my friends/reddit with, "YOU GOTTA SEE THIS!" type messages.
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he even talking about fracking in North Dakota and until watching that video, I forgot about the existance of both Dakotas. and Dakota Johnson.
I wish more people would talk about fracking. I didn't know about it until I worked on a documentary television show about it for the Weather Channel. I was beyond disturbed at what I learned and I can't believe that we're sitting here ignoring this issue like man-made earthquakes aren't a thing.

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My problem with Oliver is on two points:

- The marketing masquerading as activism. Getting a trending hashtag for a day every few weeks is great for getting people to watch Last Week Tonight videos, but it doesn't actually effect any change in the way people (including him) insist it does.
The first few times his videos were posted, and people were getting passionate about the topics he was shining light on, I was ecstatic. Things that NEEDED change were finally getting love, talked about in the media. How many times have we seen this, in this decade, where an issue no one was talking about finally comes to light, and we actually see change being made? I think the faster push to legalized marijuana with each passing year is a great example of this, where there's a way for people to be more vocal about the benefits, and how much money is being wasted, but I digress. My point is, somehow with Oliver, it seems like the buck stops with reposting his videos. I haven't seen them *actually* make an impact. When he pointed out the hypocrisy (and in my opinion evil) of Evangelicals, for example, with their mega-churches, and tax-exemption (I'm not against tax exemption for churches, but when a church is selling a product and turning a profit, it's time to take away that tax exemption), who take advantage of people like my aunt on a daily basis, I was thrilled. But nothing changed. It was an issue for a few days, but then it just went bye-bye.

I don't know why. I don't know what the answer is. Maybe it's because it's a weekly program and he doesn't come back to topics once he's covered them?

It just feels hollow, so I've stopped paying him any attention because seeing him just makes me think of keyboard warriors.
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In important news, the DNC Vice Chair that stepped down the other day to endorse Sanders is, umm, yeah....

Tulsi Gabbard from Hawaii. She's a bit of a renegade in her own party. Calling out Obama for Syria policy. Back in October she called out Debbie Wasserman Schultz for not having more debates, so DWS got mad and yanked her ticket to the DNC debate. Remember her name for big things later on. I find her quite dreamy myself.
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I wish more people would talk about fracking. I didn't know about it until I worked on a documentary television show about it for the Weather Channel. I was beyond disturbed at what I learned and I can't believe that we're sitting here ignoring this issue like man-made earthquakes aren't a thing.

Ironically,every time I watch youtube videos on iPad without any ad-blocking, I see so many ads about fracking sponsored by Exxon. they say it's future of energy or whatever, though.........i don't think it is.
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My point is, somehow with Oliver, it seems like the buck stops with reposting his videos. I haven't seen them *actually* make an impact.
Maybe I'm missing something (admittedly I don't watch John Oliver except a few clips here and there) but is he not a comedian on cable television?

This whole line of criticism is kind of bizarre to me. Why would we expect comedians, even ones who are political satirists, to have some sort of responsibility to bring about policy or social change?
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It's true. His first job is to be entertaining, which he does by being funny.

The fairest critique I've read is that his jokes are usually just similes. Very true.
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Maybe I'm missing something (admittedly I don't watch John Oliver except a few clips here and there) but is he not a comedian on cable television?

This whole line of criticism is kind of bizarre to me. Why would we expect comedians, even ones who are political satirists, to have some sort of responsibility to bring about policy or social change?
It's an interesting question. It actually bothered me that Stewart was always so adamant that he shouldn't be looked at that way, that it seemed to me to be a cop out. I didn't like that he would duck legitimate questions by going "Hey, I'm just a comedian!"

Oliver's too far the other way. His presentation on the show and his pushes for nominal activism indicate that he holds himself in that regard, or at least wants to for the purposes of making his viewers feel better. As Ashley noted, it sure has worked. The combination of that and him only airing 40-something odd shows per year has made his shit much more prevalent online.

I think it has to end up somewhere in between. Oliver presents himself as an instrument of change when he's not. Stewart insisted he had nothing to do with it when he did. Neither was correct.
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The fairest critique I've read is that his jokes are usually just similes. Very true.
I feel like all of Murakami's books are just made of similes as much as John Oliver's jokes are similes with cool visuals.
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So today is our primary, and as a registered Independent i was able to vote for either the Dems or Independents (not the Republicans).

So i voted for Bernie over Hillary

The reason....ive seen enough TV ads lately to fill me for a lifetime. All of the Cruz and Rubio ads have been totally negative and bashing TRUMP! I don't think i have seen a TRUMP! ad even.

The Hillary ads were okay, nothing bashing anyone that i have seen. Still the email thing bugs me a bit though. Then there were the Bernie ads...very positive and informative...also a very nice Bernie supporter came to my door yesterday and asked for my vote. Nobody else did, although a Cruz supporter did call me last night around 8pm bitching about TRUMP and i basically told them to fuck off and hung up.

The Bernie person was very nice, very brief, and gave me a quick thing which i read. I realize there are annoying Bernie supporters out there i just haven't seen too many. Bernie seems kind of legit to me, even if i don't agree with everything he says or even think its even possible, he just seems like a genuine guy.

I don't know if he stands a chance in hell to get the nomination or not, we shall see, but keep in mind he just got a vote in the Oklahoma primary from someone who voted for Romney, McCain, and Bush in previous erections.
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Yeah, my state has never had any influence over the primaries whatsoever.
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I think it has to end up somewhere in between. Oliver presents himself as an instrument of change when he's not.
In what sense? I'm honestly asking as I don't know enough about him or his show to have an idea of what he presents himself as.
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