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Old 05-23-2016, 03:07 PM   #91
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But I think a female candidate can be seen as likeable while still being tough and having leadership qualities, just HRC (and VP wannabe Carly also) can't.
This is an excellent point. Carly Fiorina is terribly unlikeable. More unlikeable than Hillary. And so is Ted Cruz.
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There are no norms this year. Conventional wisdom is out the window.

Hillary is in trouble. And in these wild times, a socialist would beat a populist businessman.

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Anoa Changa is a feminist who isn’t going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Last July, when the 34-year-old Atlanta-based attorney began volunteering with the grassroots organization Women for Bernie Sanders, she received immediate pushback from other women. Over social media, they accused her and other Sanders volunteers of betraying their gender, and of being fake feminists. Even former professors and friends questioned how she could support the Vermont senator over the secretary of state.

“Some women I encounter act as if I’ve betrayed some kind of secret society,” says Changa. “I reject this brand of feminism. I’m not only voting for my gender, I’m voting for other issues.”

For the first time in its history, America is close to electing a female president, yet many women from across the political spectrum don’t like Clinton.

It’s true that, as a whole, women support her more than both Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, but that support is not nearly as overwhelming as black voter support was for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. Millennial women, for example, prefer Sanders to Clinton and 49% of American women give the secretary of state an unfavorable rating.


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This is an excellent point. Carly Fiorina is terribly unlikeable. More unlikeable than Hillary. And so is Ted Cruz.
Fuck Ted Cruz.
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Yeah, probably not. The difference between a middle class citizen filing bankruptcy or a small business owner filing bankruptcy and Trump is that most don't ever recover from bankruptcy.

On the personal bankruptcy side you can't get a mortgage for 7 years. Not a death knell. Unless you're one of those people who fall into mindset that you need to 'own' you will survive.


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Hillary had a (presumed) legit resume' in 2008. In 2016 her real resume' fails.
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There are no norms this year. Conventional wisdom is out the window.

Hillary is in trouble. And in these wild times, a socialist would beat a populist businessman.
So that's your opinion, and it must be a fact because one opinion piece backs it up.

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On the personal bankruptcy side you can't get a mortgage for 7 years. Not a death knell. Unless you're one of those people who fall into mindset that you need to 'own' you will survive.


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Well it's a lot more than that, it's 7 years after the last activity, which could be years after the filing, but it's not just mortgages it's most credit.

But what I was meaning is that statistically most do not recover in the sense of returning to the same financial place prior to their filing.
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We do have the pass 6 months, for those of us that live in the real world.

There have been elections where Hillary was expected to win by 8-9 points and lost by quite a few. And then there are all your fantasy postings that Trump was just doing this for a lark, for the publicity and would fold and be out. Why not read a legit newspaper or two and apply some critical thinking. Is that too much too ask? And that was a rhetorical question. So please carry on.
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Why not read a legit newspaper or two and apply some critical thinking. Is that too much too ask? And that was a rhetorical question. So please carry on.
So newspapers are the only place to gain factual info?
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better than FB postings. That was suggested as a start, multiple sourcing from many points of view is what I would recommend. It seems like people don't want to understand the arguments and just want to label the opposition as scum, worthless pieces of shit. I am not ready to write off 50% of Americans because at this point in time their opinion might be different from my current conclusions. I do have a hard time relating to the abusive and hostile language people use to put forth their arguments. So I try and find more measured presenters of those positions so I can understand why one believes a certain way.
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And then there are all your fantasy postings that Trump was just doing this for a lark, for the publicity and would fold and be out.
Your memory is failing you...
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Hillary had a (presumed) legit resume' in 2008. In 2016 her real resume' fails.
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Why not read a legit newspaper or two
Extra extra, read all about it!


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better than FB postings. That was suggested as a start, multiple sourcing from many points of view is what I would recommend. It seems like people don't want to understand the arguments and just want to label the opposition as scum, worthless pieces of shit. I am not ready to write off 50% of Americans because at this point in time their opinion might be different from my current conclusions. I do have a hard time relating to the abusive and hostile language people use to put forth their arguments. So I try and find more measured presenters of those positions so I can understand why one believes a certain way.


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