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Old 10-21-2015, 12:48 AM   #211
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Obama would win a third term if he could.

It has occurred to me repeatedly lately that, if I could vote to give Obama a third term, I would do so in a heartbeat against any of the Democratic candidates, and certainly in the general election.


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Old 10-21-2015, 07:46 AM   #212
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After W's second term, it's taken me some time to adjust to a president with consistent 50/50 approval. What did W have by the end, 15%?
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Old 10-21-2015, 11:14 AM   #213
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Don't be ridiculous, LM.

Obama is the worst president in our lifetimes! Didn't you hear? He's a democrat. He's a socialist. He's Muslim. He works for them. He wasn't born in this country. And if I can sum up what that actually all means... he's half negro! At least W knew how to be white and Christian! 😂
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Old 10-21-2015, 12:23 PM   #214
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Joe is a no go.
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Old 10-21-2015, 12:27 PM   #215
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Let us not forget, Joe Biden is infinitely less evil than his predecessor.

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Old 10-21-2015, 12:53 PM   #216
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So sad to hear that Biden isn't running, but not surprising.


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Old 10-21-2015, 01:06 PM   #217
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One for two so far, let's see if he's VPJB again.
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Old 10-21-2015, 01:09 PM   #218
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I'm not surprised, but he would have been a great candidate.
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Biden won't get in

he was never going to get in, unless Hillary imploded and then the convention could nominate him at large.

Sanders is about as viable as Huckabee, or Santorum was when they were no. 2 in their party primaries, completely no chance of being nominated, and even less chance of being elected. But, their passionate fans are true believers, what a waste of time,
The only smart move
He can go down as a respected elder statesman and start an institute like Jimmy Carter.
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Old 10-21-2015, 06:48 PM   #220
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He has made the right decision for himself and his family in my opinion.
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Old 10-21-2015, 07:18 PM   #221
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And for the Democratic Party. The less infighting that goes on there allows for a stronger campaign in the future for the nominee.
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Old 10-21-2015, 09:53 PM   #222
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I don't agree with "less infighting" in general as that tends to just go along with the establishment being afraid of losing the election and therefore wanting Clinton to be the nominee (even though the latest polls show Sanders faring better against Republican candidates such as Trump). I mean, the debate schedule and everything else is already rigged for her and I just can't understand the spinelessness of members of that party that always seems to think an election loss is just around the corner. This thing is pretty much in the bag for the Democrats and will be in the foreseeable future. But if politicians actually paid attention to logic and evidence, there'd only be about three people throwing their hat into the ring for each nomination.

But absolutely, we've avoided the bickering that would have gone on as Biden hardly differs from Clinton in terms of views and is arguably even to her right. Would've been a lot of name-calling and mud slinging, that's for certain.
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Old 10-22-2015, 12:53 AM   #223
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Biden just saw what anyone with a clue would see. Nobody is going to beat her. Not Biden. Not Bernie and not 15 of those candidates on the GOP side.

Trump is the only one with a chance. And I can't believe I just typed that...but I believe it.

There are two types of low information voters. Those that know little about the issues. And those that know issues but know little about the nature of the corrupted system. And this election cycle, they are both doing well, both on the Right and Left wing.

The difference being Trump or even Ben Carson are not flatly unelectable. What do I mean? Here's what I mean...

In U.S., Socialist Presidential Candidates Least Appealing
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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As the 2016 presidential election field takes shape, more than nine in 10 Americans say they would vote for a qualified presidential candidate who is Catholic, a woman, black, Hispanic or Jewish. Less than half of Americans would vote for a candidate who is a socialist.

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Among religious identities, while the large majority of Americans would vote for a Catholic or Jewish presidential candidate, smaller majorities say they would vote for a candidate who is Mormon (81%), an evangelical Christian (73%), Muslim (60%) or an atheist (58%).
Atheist...ATHEIST!!! was eleven points higher than socialist.

The semantics regarding "socialism" don't really matter. The reality matters. Bernie Sanders has about as much chance to be President as any one of us. That is reality. So it begs the question...why would a serious person want him to be the nominee? Why would an informed progressive or liberal...or person that simply wants the GOP out of power...why would we want Bernie as the Dem nominee? So we could experiment with President Trump?

Listen, I like Bernie a lot. And I agree with several things he says and I love that he's attacking corporatacracy but he has ZERO clue how to fix it (Google Lawrence Lessig talking about real solutions). So even on those grounds, he's not really doing much but yammering like Ralph Nader.

Maybe things are rigged for HRC...rigged by people with brains and money and power. And they didn't get to be rich and powerful by believing in the fantasy that Bernie espouses. His idea to fix the corporatacracy? "Millions of people coming together". Bernie, God love ya...that's a bunch of hippy bullshit on par with "Hope and Change we can believe in!" Yeah, it's mostly the people disappointed with Obama that are flocking to Bernie. Obama has been a good President. Period. He's a better President today than he was in 2009.

By the way...I'm not a cynic at all. I'm an absolute realist.
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:29 AM   #224
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i agree with you.

however ... in 2004 ... did anyone ever believe a black man named Barack Hussein Obama would be elected president of the United States?
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Old 10-22-2015, 11:47 AM   #225
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It's funny because most people know what an atheist is. Most of them don't know what a socialist is.
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