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Old 09-30-2001, 06:19 PM   #1
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U2 CDs will now be copy-protected...be afraid...be very afraid.

Several of the major record labels have announced that by this time next year, all of their CDs will use one form of copy protection or another. This will include U2 CDs.

What does this mean?

- No more MP3 ripping.

- No more listening to your CDs in a CD-ROM or DVD-ROM/RAM drive (Dependning on the scheme used)

- Attempting to circumvent (or play the CD while your stereo is configured in a particular way) the copy protection may destory your audio equipment. (Depnding on the scheme used)

It should be noted, that many years ago, the software industry tried to copy-protect applications and the floppy disks themselves. It was a resounding failure and actually hurt sales in the long run because, as with this, it ended up hurting everyone while the pirates just kept on beating every scheme attempted.

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Of course it was a resounding failure. What the music industry fails to realize is that "pirating" is the best form of advertising! It should be noted that, during the reign of Napster, record sales were as high as ever. In my case, I bought more CDs because of Napster, as I was able to preview new artists without listening to painfully short and deceptive sound bytes.

But business, like man, will never learn from history. Television was supposed to be the death of film, cassette recorders were supposed to be the death of music, VCRs were supposed to be the death of film, and now MP3s were supposed to be the death of music. In all cases, the industry was resoundingly wrong.

I can guarantee that hackers will win again. As encryption is developed by mankind and the machine inevitably is forced to decrypt, all it takes is to figure out how to do that decryption, write a program for it, and the hackers win. No encryption scheme will ever work for that reason.

I hate all industry. Maybe they should consider lowering their prices? No, that would be too easy.

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I predict this new format will be hacked even before its release. Some of the hackers out there are brilliant. The biggest mistake was made years ago, when the decision was made to go to digital music. The second mistake was making CD-ROMs that could rip CD's into wav files. Then mp3 just compressed these files and people traded away.

Not too swift on the part of record companies...they should have put 2 and 2 together to see that the internet was getting big and CD-ROMs were capable of ripping their songs into files. Now the damage is already done.


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I'm truly beginning to wonder whether the people making these decisions have absolutely any common sense at all. Make a cd you can't copy and people will stop buying cds, sales will go down, and then the record industry will be sitting there scratching their heads wondering why they're losing money.

And besides, doesn't this violate my rights as the owner of the cd? I paid for it, shouldn't I be allowed to do whatever I want with it in my own home, including listening to it on my computer and burning a couple songs onto a mix? As long as I'm not doing large scale cd burning and distributing, I'm really not doing any harm to their cash flow.
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The Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 gives them rights to trample over ours as consumers of their products.

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And besides, doesn't this violate my rights as the owner of the cd? I paid for it, shouldn't I be allowed to do whatever I want with it in my own home, including listening to it on my computer and burning a couple songs onto a mix?
Not under The Digital Millennium Copyright Act. A nasty bit of legistlation that virtually elimiates all "Fair Use" rights and makes cirumventing encryption (or copy protection) a felony.
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Of course it was a resounding failure. What the music industry fails to realize is that "pirating" is the best form of advertising! It should be noted that, during the reign of Napster, record sales were as high as ever. In my case, I bought more CDs because of Napster, as I was able to preview new artists without listening to painfully short and deceptive sound bytes.

I agree with you there, melon.


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Crap...that kind of makes me wish that I had been involved in the excitement of the ATYCLB clips being leaked. That kind of hype may never happen again, dang it.

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someone somewhere will find a way to get around the system... the master minds of the internet are far too large

I agree that the copying etc. only helps the labels to profit. For some reason they have this idea that the mp3s replace additional sales, but on the contrary they just offer more exposure. There are plenty of cases where I personally found out about a band and turned to Napster to confirm the praises given to them... and in the end they got my sale.

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1) how fucking stupid are the record companies? good god! not being able to listen to music on computers is fucking stupid.

2) no one will want to buy these new CDs at all.. instead they will do all they can to get them illegally online and burn CDs which will be more functional, I know I will (good call record companies!)

3) The hackers will find a way around this anyway, just like they found a way around region encoded dvds and many other stupid marketing decisions, so maybe I shouldn't be too pissed off.

4) Goddamn the record companies are stupid.
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I agree that the copying etc. only helps the labels to profit. For some reason they have this idea that the mp3s replace additional sales, but on the contrary they just offer more exposure. There are plenty of cases where I personally found out about a band and turned to Napster to confirm the praises given to them... and in the end they got my sale.
They're also worried that mp3s support unpopular, independant artists (because they do). I, like you, have bought way more CDs than I ever would have without napster... in fact almost everything I listen to now besides U2 I would not have heard of without Mp3s... moby, enigma, delerium, massive attack, apollo 440, pj harvey, and a lot of it is stuff that you don't hear on the radio much.

Grrr. This is rather infuriating, even if it is more of an insult to the record company's own intelligence rather than our own..
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I hate all industry. Maybe they should consider lowering their prices? No, that would be too easy.
Even better...stop charging $17 for CDs that consist of 2 hit singles and 11 tracks of garbage.
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