brettig
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it was, and I dont mind people saying U2 skipped aus cos of money, but I do mind people making it sound like they were doing us a favour by avoiding us.
For all those spanners who reckon U2 are sellouts...
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it was, and I dont mind people saying U2 skipped aus cos of money, but I do mind people making it sound like they were doing us a favour by avoiding us.
Angela Harlem
Jesus Online
Yep.
Of course, you dont see it from the other side of the world. Unless you are one of those dedicated well learned fans who fly half way across the world to be in a place where they arent touring, just to see what it feels like to see a band you idolise skip you becuase they cant make enough money out of visiting you.
This shows they are still here for the music, but money does matter to them.
popkidu2
War Child
couple of quick thoughts...
1. Moby allowed his music to be used by advertisers because the radio was not playing his singles. After people heard his music on tv and asked "who is that?" was when he started getting album sales and play on the radio.
Sting used the same strategy when his album Brand New Day didn't sell well. He allowed Jaguar to use that song (which I cannot remember right now) with the Indian singer in it for an ad. Suddenly, his music started selling.
I think the whole "sellout" thing is a little stupid. If you want to get your music heard, you have to make some concessions these days. Unless you want to play the "woe is me I'm the poor intelectual underground rockstar living on water and heroin because the big bad music corporation won't play my music whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" crap. I'm not saying the music corporations are good. They're not. But U2 WANTED and still WANTS to have their music played and be popular and they are now willing to make some concessions that they wouldn't have 10 or 20 years ago because the TIMES HAVE CHANGED. It is not 1981 or 1991 folks, it's 2002, and the fact is, things have changed and what was once deemed "selling out" is now standard practice and you have two choices in life, you either waste your energy fighting the process and getting nowhere, or you find a way to accomplish your goals within the process while not losing your integrity. I think U2 has done that, and will continue to do that, even if they have some of their songs in ads.
I really can't see them allowing Sunday Bloody Sunday for a tampax ad for example. But ya never know......
1. Moby allowed his music to be used by advertisers because the radio was not playing his singles. After people heard his music on tv and asked "who is that?" was when he started getting album sales and play on the radio.
Sting used the same strategy when his album Brand New Day didn't sell well. He allowed Jaguar to use that song (which I cannot remember right now) with the Indian singer in it for an ad. Suddenly, his music started selling.
I think the whole "sellout" thing is a little stupid. If you want to get your music heard, you have to make some concessions these days. Unless you want to play the "woe is me I'm the poor intelectual underground rockstar living on water and heroin because the big bad music corporation won't play my music whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" crap. I'm not saying the music corporations are good. They're not. But U2 WANTED and still WANTS to have their music played and be popular and they are now willing to make some concessions that they wouldn't have 10 or 20 years ago because the TIMES HAVE CHANGED. It is not 1981 or 1991 folks, it's 2002, and the fact is, things have changed and what was once deemed "selling out" is now standard practice and you have two choices in life, you either waste your energy fighting the process and getting nowhere, or you find a way to accomplish your goals within the process while not losing your integrity. I think U2 has done that, and will continue to do that, even if they have some of their songs in ads.
I really can't see them allowing Sunday Bloody Sunday for a tampax ad for example. But ya never know......
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rafmed
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Only someone like Dr. Who would use so lame arguments to disagree, as long as I know, at least around the world, Popmart tickets were cheaper than most of Elevation, and if you can't find where the sounds of ATYCLB are comming, my god man, you are deaf, about aerosmith, very smart comment, surelly someone else is the one that has it in his mind
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So saying that ZOO TV and Popmart are closer to NSYNC certainly shows how much you understand what U2 is all about.
And as long as I know any Best of is cheaper to produce and will have good earnings, in this case I think U2 was forced after poor Popmart performance in tha USA, thank you for the support.
Only a selfish will use those comments to justify that U2 will not go to countries with lower economic levels.
For your information this places most of the time sellout faster than any USA city.
You better do some research before trying to look cool in this forum, as is the case with some others.
I wonder if U2 do an album that resembles Achtung Baby or Pop, and if the next tour goes back, to what they once called progress, and a way of giving back a good show for the money. Will you be there?
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Please...don't make me say please, champagne and ice cream, it's not what I want, it's what I need.
So saying that ZOO TV and Popmart are closer to NSYNC certainly shows how much you understand what U2 is all about.
And as long as I know any Best of is cheaper to produce and will have good earnings, in this case I think U2 was forced after poor Popmart performance in tha USA, thank you for the support.
Only a selfish will use those comments to justify that U2 will not go to countries with lower economic levels.
For your information this places most of the time sellout faster than any USA city.
You better do some research before trying to look cool in this forum, as is the case with some others.
I wonder if U2 do an album that resembles Achtung Baby or Pop, and if the next tour goes back, to what they once called progress, and a way of giving back a good show for the money. Will you be there?
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Please...don't make me say please, champagne and ice cream, it's not what I want, it's what I need.
You're telling doctorwho he should do more research? There is no one here who knows more about the business side of U2 than DoctorWho.
Seems to me you're just pissed off cause U2 didn't go to wherever your from. So they didn't go to your country. Big shit, deal with it. Not all bands make a stop in Montreal, I just deal with it, I don't think they're sell outs just because they didn't stop here. If you think they're such sell outs, I suggest you stop listening to them, Instead of having all this hatred for the band.
I wouldn't want to be in U2's shoes. With fans like you, they can never do right. Name one band that comes close to U2's integrity. They've never even used a Tour Sponsor, something which is considered normal these days. But that's not enough for people like you.
In your eyes, unless they work for free, they're selling out. You need to understand something. U2 members are human. They are not god, jesus or Mother Teresa. They will never make everyone happy, especially people like you.
rafmed
Refugee
Of course I didn't enjoyed they not comming here, but that is no problem for me, I have seen them perform enough times, hmm, ok never is enough of U2. To be honest, I could be more bored for young fans that had the hope of watching U2 live, which to me are some of the best experiences I has ever had.
I don't know if DrWho knows or not, but if someone think U2 did a favor to Oz and Latin america fans for not touring ths places, or that they would lose money, well, its laughable.
Actually i woud say the same to you, U2 are humans, and as you and me, can make it good or wrong, now if people expect that this forum is only to praise them and threat them like gods, well then it will be very narrow, and I have all the right of listen to whatever I want, and also I have all the right to have my opinion, no matter if it bothers anyone, and I have arguments to support it, right or wrong, but it seems that some can just debate through sarcasm.
I have to let one thing clear, I love U2 music, there is nothing close to it in my opinion, I would see u2 perform in a 200,000 people stadium or in a parking lot or in a garage, they are the best, period, and I will still be buying U2 albums even before release date as I has been able to do since achtung baby.
If anyone think that someone its not a fan because one can question some things, well, then lets forget the purpouse of this forum.
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Please...don't make me say please, champagne and ice cream, it's not what I want, it's what I need.
I don't know if DrWho knows or not, but if someone think U2 did a favor to Oz and Latin america fans for not touring ths places, or that they would lose money, well, its laughable.
Actually i woud say the same to you, U2 are humans, and as you and me, can make it good or wrong, now if people expect that this forum is only to praise them and threat them like gods, well then it will be very narrow, and I have all the right of listen to whatever I want, and also I have all the right to have my opinion, no matter if it bothers anyone, and I have arguments to support it, right or wrong, but it seems that some can just debate through sarcasm.
I have to let one thing clear, I love U2 music, there is nothing close to it in my opinion, I would see u2 perform in a 200,000 people stadium or in a parking lot or in a garage, they are the best, period, and I will still be buying U2 albums even before release date as I has been able to do since achtung baby.
If anyone think that someone its not a fan because one can question some things, well, then lets forget the purpouse of this forum.
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Please...don't make me say please, champagne and ice cream, it's not what I want, it's what I need.
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Originally posted by rafmed:
Only someone like Dr. Who would use so lame arguments to disagree, as long as I know, at least around the world, Popmart tickets were cheaper than most of Elevation, and if you can't find where the sounds of ATYCLB are comming, my god man, you are deaf, about aerosmith, very smart comment, surelly someone else is the one that has it in his mind.
So saying that ZOO TV and Popmart are closer to NSYNC certainly shows how much you understand what U2 is all about.
And as long as I know any Best of is cheaper to produce and will have good earnings, in this case I think U2 was forced after poor Popmart performance in tha USA, thank you for the support.
Only a selfish will use those comments to justify that U2 will not go to countries with lower economic levels.
For your information this places most of the time sellout faster than any USA city.
You better do some research before trying to look cool in this forum, as is the case with some others.
I wonder if U2 do an album that resembles Achtung Baby or Pop, and if the next tour goes back, to what they once called progress, and a way of giving back a good show for the money. Will you be there?
*slaps Rafmed for taking him seriously.
Only a Raffie would give NO arguments to support his "sell-out" attacks and then get all riled up over a mocking post.
O.K., if I *must* get serious...
I think the intimate Elevation show is FAR better than ZOO TV or POPMart. There, I said it. I didn't like POPMart anywhere near as much as Elevation. It was just too big. The music was lost. I did like ZOO TV, but the spectacle it was also detracted from my real reason for seeing U2 - which is the music. Elevation allowed me to truly enjoy the music, while still being visually entertained. It is, by far, the best tour U2 has done, IMO.
As for touring Australia... well, that is a tough one. I do think U2 should have gone there, especially considering how successful the album was in Australia. Hopefully, with a new album in the making, U2 will tour Australia next time and perhaps skip other parts of the world (like yet another visit to the U.S.).
As for the "Best Of" - I'm not convinced that this is "selling out." Many, many artists have these albums. Yes, they may be "easy money" but I think they are highly beneficial for the new fan. For example, if I was just getting into U2 now, the "Best Of" would be a great way to hear some of their older music without having to shell out $12-18 for all the albums. When I first started collecting music as a teen, these "greatest hits" albums were wonderful just for that reason. I didn't have a lot of $$, so the ensemble allowed me to nicely sample the artist's work over a period of time without spending a fortune getting each album. Then, if I really liked the artist, I would get the actual albums. In other words, greatest hits albums aren't meant for long-time fans, they are meant for new fans. And having once been in that position, I really appreciate artists releasing these albums.
As for looking cool - considering you gave absolutely NO supporting statements to your initial arguments, I think it is you who needs to do some thinking before just blurting out your thoughts. Don't try to look cool by being the "anti-Bono" - oh, wait, that's already been done too. Whaddya know...
rafmed
Refugee
Originally posted by doctorwho:
*slaps Rafmed for taking him seriously.
OUCH!
Originally posted by doctorwho:
Only a Raffie would give NO arguments to support his "sell-out" attacks and then get all riled up over a mocking post.
ok you got a point, is always good to stir some controversy.
I disagree, but I have seen many people in USA think like you about Popmart, I think it was much better when they come here with that tour for some reason, maybe they were more used, I didn't see Elevation, but I doubt that it would has been better for me than ZOO TV, well matter of opinions.
Should we do a contest about cool and anticool?
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wertsie
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IMHO, "sell-out" and U2 do not even belong in the same SENTENCE. I guess I just dislike the term "sell-out" in general.
As some have said, I think that the Best Of CD is good for fans that aren't as familar with the music. I mean, the band has released 10 studio albums. It's easier for the new fans to get a Best Of CD and stick with the songs they know, then maybe they'll buy some of the other CDs later. I have a friend who bought the Best Of CD because he really liked "Sweetest Thing."
Everybody has different opinions about what they feel were "better spots," if you will, in the band's career. Definitely understandable.
I don't think U2 could ever "sell out." They have too much integrity to do that.
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As some have said, I think that the Best Of CD is good for fans that aren't as familar with the music. I mean, the band has released 10 studio albums. It's easier for the new fans to get a Best Of CD and stick with the songs they know, then maybe they'll buy some of the other CDs later. I have a friend who bought the Best Of CD because he really liked "Sweetest Thing."
Everybody has different opinions about what they feel were "better spots," if you will, in the band's career. Definitely understandable.
I don't think U2 could ever "sell out." They have too much integrity to do that.
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Michael Griffiths
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Actually, it is still not technically an ad for Coke. Why? Because Coke did not pay U2 a cent to advertize their product. 'Beautiful Day' was being used to promote the Olympics, not Coke. It just so happened that Coke also sponsored the Olympics, and it was run simultaneosly. I'm sure U2 didn't agree to promote Coke, and I'm positive that if they did agree to do a Coke ad, as you say, they would have demanded money for it. They did agree, however, to promote the Olympics -- for free.
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The Tempest
it still doesn't change the fact that u2 music..was used in a coke ad.
and for the record I'm nost against this sort of thing really. Afterall playing a show like letterman or leno, is basically a commercial arrangment " you play on our show, we will expose you to an audience, and we can make advertising dollars" it's much liek a commercial really...and even if u2 did let them use streets in an ad..it' not seilling out
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I don't really understand the economic arguments against best of CD's. I know I rejoiced the day I got the Best of and Bsides myself. I used to spend ages making mixture tapes for friends and there it was all in one place. Handy.(this said by a person who doesn't down load and burn music from the net) I bought the video for a couple of friends who are discovering U2, great value I thought.
Yesterday I decided to treat myself to a Salva Grigoryan CD, there were three, the choice was so hard. If he had a "Best of" I'd have bought that I suppose and been very happy (highly recommend Tommy Emmanuel's Best of Double CD I saw that there too. I want them all. End of plug for Australian guitarists
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So what's up with Best of's?
Yesterday I decided to treat myself to a Salva Grigoryan CD, there were three, the choice was so hard. If he had a "Best of" I'd have bought that I suppose and been very happy (highly recommend Tommy Emmanuel's Best of Double CD I saw that there too. I want them all. End of plug for Australian guitarists
So what's up with Best of's?
brettig
New Yorker
I dont like Creed, but chartwise and exposure wise right now theyre up with U2...
I don't mind U2's music used in TV ads as long as they give the money to charity. It's their decision.
I would disagree with Elevation used for the movie (because there were better songs on ATYCLB that could have been used as singles and didn't get the chance, and because i don't think that those who liked it in Tomb Raider will go out and buy the whole album - which i presume was the idea). Or the ticket prices - how is it possible that the stripped down tour costs more than the elaborate, mega Zoo tv and Popmart tours?
Just my opinion.
As for U2 repeating themselves - ATYCLB is the album that has most references from the past. I love it, but it's true.
As for Best of - it's worth buying for a new fan getting into the band, buying the first release. Older fans already have the albums, and (chances are) B-sides or MP3s of them. Personally i wouldn't buy it.
ps: Instead of giving a song off the album for the movie soundtrack, why not make a new song (a la Gangs of New York)? Or M:I theme, or Goldeneye?
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I would disagree with Elevation used for the movie (because there were better songs on ATYCLB that could have been used as singles and didn't get the chance, and because i don't think that those who liked it in Tomb Raider will go out and buy the whole album - which i presume was the idea). Or the ticket prices - how is it possible that the stripped down tour costs more than the elaborate, mega Zoo tv and Popmart tours?
Just my opinion.
As for U2 repeating themselves - ATYCLB is the album that has most references from the past. I love it, but it's true.
As for Best of - it's worth buying for a new fan getting into the band, buying the first release. Older fans already have the albums, and (chances are) B-sides or MP3s of them. Personally i wouldn't buy it.
ps: Instead of giving a song off the album for the movie soundtrack, why not make a new song (a la Gangs of New York)? Or M:I theme, or Goldeneye?
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rafmed
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Awww... I'm sorry to hear that. Well, at least they performed by you. Yay!
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It was an an Olympic ad. The money they would have given U2 went instead to the Speical Olympics. Coke bought the air time for a spot of the days medal winners...and it was the medal winners that were spotlighted...not Coke. And the song Beautiful Day played in the background.
Now anyone not knowing all this might think "U2 did an ad for Coke" but there were all kinds of press releases out at that time telling what really went on.
dream wanderer
lazyboy
War Child
That's cool Arun, wasn't sayin you said that but many people would interpret what you said as "selling out". And alot of people are dis-agreeing with ya on the coke ad issue too
lazyboy
War Child
Ah, a spanner, well, we use it to describe people who are eejits, or idiots, who say things, or do things, just to disagree or be awkward, like a spanner in the works I guess. Basically a gobshite
