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Old 08-16-2007, 07:34 PM   #31
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I've always preferred songs with great music and average lyrics to songs with great lyrics and average music. That's why I'm not a huge fan of Springsteen. *dodges flying objects* I'd rather listen to Kraftwerk or something.. that has average or goofy lyrics but amazing music.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:22 PM   #32
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Usually I go for the flow over the lyrics. Lyrics are secondary to me. If I love an artist who usually has music I enjoy, the lyrics are just icing on the cake (REM, U2, Springsteen, Dylan).
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:23 PM   #33
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Then again, I'm amazed at how easily people understood what the hell you were talking about when talking about "flow" which has more to do with liquid dynamics than anything remotely music-related.
Since it was an either/or kind of thing, I took "flow" to be the part of the song not about the lyrics. I wouldn't have chosen "flow" for the word to use in the poll, but I'm not going to nitpick semantics, either.

Me choosing "flow" over "lyrics" should not be surprising to anyone who knows my love for big, dumb pop songs. I ain't listening to them for the words.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:31 PM   #34
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i just think that flow is the first thing i hear when i hear a song. that's what opens me up to it and gets me to continue listening instead of flipping the channel. the lyrics then take me on the journey. but the flow is what grabs me first. theres loads of songs that start with a musical intro before the lyrics come in. if the flow doesn't grab me right then, i'm less inclined to stay for the lyrics.
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Old 08-16-2007, 09:36 PM   #35
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I've always preferred songs with great music and average lyrics to songs with great lyrics and average music. That's why I'm not a huge fan of Springsteen. *dodges flying objects*
Granted, Springsteen has always had amazing lyrics (and his debut album is probably a bit too wordy), but that's not to say his works don't have any flow to them. The Born To Run album is probably the best example, as Thunder Road comes across as the beginning of a day, and the album goes through all these people and places until you arrive at Jungleland, which is an amazing experience in and of itself.

Totally agreed on Kraftwerk, though.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:15 PM   #36
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Lyrics are great, but it's the music that usually stirs my soul.

Of course, if an artist or band can master both.........
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:31 PM   #37
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For me, the music hits first, but in order for it to last it better have a great lyric. While there are a few exceptions, I'll usually dismiss a band over the long haul if their music is just centred around a great guitar line or catchy hook. Not naming any names! I also love lyrics that keep revealing themselves on repeated listenings. The great songs are the ones with lyrics I can never quite pin down, and somehow manage to change and evolve as I do the same. It's pure magic when a song you thought you knew becomes more relevant in an instant.

That said, I don't think I could love a song just for its lyrics alone...it has to have some unique sound driving it.
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Totally agreed on Kraftwerk, though.


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Please explain "flow".
I think Beck is a great example of an artist that emphasizes flow over the lyrics themselves.

Check out Loser:

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins and I'm out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose
Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin' with a loser and the cruise control
Baby's in reno with the vitamin D
Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat


OK, what does this mean exactly? Absolutely nothing. Are they good lyrics? No, not really. Do they sound good together and fit with the beat? Hell yeah. That's flow.
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Flow FTW!
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I think Beck is a great example of an artist that emphasizes flow over the lyrics themselves.
Another artist like this is Peter Gabriel. He used to write to the rhythm and beat. This lead to stuff like Rhythm of The Heat, Games Without Frontiers, Biko, No Self Control and Shock The Monkey among others. I remember a quote by him that went something along the lines of...people write bad lyrics but no one writes bad music.
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I think Beck is a great example of an artist that emphasizes flow over the lyrics themselves.

Check out Loser:

In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey
Butane in my veins and I'm out to cut the junkie
With the plastic eyeballs, spray-paint the vegetables
Dog food stalls with the beefcake pantyhose
Kill the headlights and put it in neutral
Stock car flamin' with a loser and the cruise control
Baby's in reno with the vitamin D
Got a couple of couches, sleep on the love-seat


OK, what does this mean exactly? Absolutely nothing. Are they good lyrics? No, not really. Do they sound good together and fit with the beat? Hell yeah. That's flow.
That's a great example! Come to think of it, a lot of rap has great flow!
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I don't like the flow of this thread.
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I don't like the flow of this thread.


Example of lyrics > flow...

Me And A Gun by Tori Amos?
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That's a great example! Come to think of it, a lot of rap has great flow!
Yes, and the results would be much closer if this board were more of a hip-hop / rap scene. Rock and pop can more or less get away with awful lyrics (see the 80s for great examples), but in rap, because the words are generally right up front, they have to at least say something - but if they don't say it in a rhythmic way, in a way that flows well, no one's going to listen.
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