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Old 08-27-2006, 10:02 PM   #1
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What part of Bittersweet Symphony is supposedly a copy of a Stones song? I think the Stones song is "The Last Time" but having heard the latter song many many times I cant tell any similarity at all, never mind blatant sampling. Do you think the Stones were justified in suing the Verve over it?
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what the verve sampled was not the actual original stones recording, it was a reversed loop sample of a version of the song that was recorded for an album called The Rolling Stones Songbook.

so basically, they sampled a symphonic remake of the song.

but if you are going to steal from the rolling stones, you should be smart enough to know you will be paying for it eventually.
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I love the stones, but they were assholes for doing that to the verve, a very good band.....urban hymns is a classic album
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Excuse me for having no real clue on this subject...but....Its taken them this long to decide that the songs sound simalar?
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I love the stones, but they were assholes for doing that to the verve, a very good band.....urban hymns is a classic album
I don't think the Rolling Stones had that much to do with it. I believe that part of their back catalogue (the Sixties stuff) is owned by Allen Klein and he sued The Verve.

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Excuse me for having no real clue on this subject...but....Its taken them this long to decide that the songs sound simalar?
No, this was already decided in court in 1998 or so.
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The Verve were a very good band. Very talented. Wish they could've held it together.
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The Verve were a very good band. Very talented. Wish they could've held it together.
Absolutely.
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No, this was already decided in court in 1998 or so.
Oh right, makes sense now, Thanks.
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I thought this wasn`t fair for "The Verve". They totally got robbed on this.
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but in the booklet it says:

BITTERSWEET SYMPHONY
Lyrics: Mick Jagger and Keith Richards



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The Verve had an easy out. Apply for permission, or drop the sample. They're a great, but stupid band.
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I thought this wasn`t fair for "The Verve". They totally got robbed on this.
Music is still a business. People generally don't enjoy having their material used and not being compensated for it. 'For art's sake' my ass.
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Music is still a business. People generally don't enjoy having their material used and not being compensated for it. 'For art's sake' my ass.
Exactly. If I were a recording artist and someone took something I had written, reversed it and shoved it through some sampler without seeking the proper permission, I'd sue too.
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so SUE me...










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