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Old 04-18-2008, 12:21 PM   #16
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Hey guys....woooo....look over here....big Zeppelin fan with premium right here....
Do you wanna start it?
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I think we have our nominee for Zep...
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Old 04-18-2008, 12:23 PM   #18
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Do you wanna start it?
If you wish. It's just a basic vote-until-one-is-left-standing survivor right? Not like the Bowie survivor?
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I would say yes, just a basic survivor.
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I do think there is merit in the seeding system, though. Certainly I wish it had been used for PF Survivor.
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I do think there is merit in the seeding system, though. Certainly I wish it had been used for PF Survivor.
Zeppelin only has 9 albums...it should be pretty quick, even running through them all in their entirety. Seeding systems, while having their merit, are also best served for artists with a huge back catalogue.
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I think Wish You Were Here is probably their best song. But Time is amazing as well, so I'm happy it gets the win.

As far as Shine On, I think it's amazing as well, but in order for me to vote for it as the best Pink Floyd song, it would have to be more concise, tighter, instead of so sprawling.
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Zeppelin only has 9 albums...it should be pretty quick, even running through them all in their entirety. Seeding systems, while having their merit, are also best served for artists with a huge back catalogue.
I don't think the size of the back catalogue has anything to do with whether seeding's a good idea or not. I'm frankly not seeing why you even bring it up, as it strikes me as spectacularly irrelevant.

The issue is quality. It was madness that SOYCD I-V did not make the finals here; but had it made it, it would've been madness that WYWH did not. I think seeding, in the sense that the most popular albums send more than one song to the finals, is always going to be a good idea and go down well with fans.
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I don't think the size of the back catalogue has anything to do with whether seeding's a good idea or not. I'm frankly not seeing why you even bring it up, as it strikes me as spectacularly irrelevant.
It would be, excepting the fact that the seeding concept was originally implemented for these tournaments a week ago when the David Bowie survivor was started specifically to avoid the time it would take to work through all of the albums in their entirety. No complaints have sprouted up, but it's early yet. Folks will eventually complain that certain albums weren't given the time they deserve and that the tournament is not nearly as thorough as it should be. Basically, it's relatively experimental, and folks didn't want to wait another few months to find out if the results of it are pleasing, so a more straightforward system was implemented for the Zeppelin survivor because we're all pretty comfortable with it.
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It would be, excepting the fact that the seeding concept was originally implemented for these tournaments a week ago when the David Bowie survivor was started specifically to avoid the time it would take to work through all of the albums in their entirety.
Er ... haven't you been participating in the Radiohead Survivor?

I'm referring to that seeding system, not the experimental Bowie one.
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Er ... haven't you been participating in the Radiohead Survivor?

I'm referring to that seeding system, not the experimental Bowie one.
Oh, shit. That completely slipped my mind.

I could do that based on the results of the previous favorite Zep album poll, actually.
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The difference with Zeppelin is that all of their albums really weigh about the same, at least to me. I guess an argument could be made for In Through The Out Door and Coda, but really, one song from each of these will be fine.
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Oh, shit. That completely slipped my mind.

I could do that based on the results of the previous favorite Zep album poll, actually.


Considering you've only got nine albums and probably a rarities/non-albums category, you really wouldn't be overloading things if you let the top two from each album proceed to the finals and have 18-20 tracks fight it out for the top spot.
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Here's a problem that needs to be discussed if a Radiohead survivor seeding system is going to be implemented.



Based on these results, a good rationing would be:

IV - 6 songs in the final draw
Houses - 5 songs in the final draw
II - 4 songs in the final draw
Physical Graffiti - 4 songs in the final draw
III - 3 songs in the final draw
I - 2 songs in the final draw
Presence, In Through The Out Door, Coda - 1 song in the final draw

Now, the problem is, IV has 8 songs on it, and 6 of them would make it through, which is something I can't condone. Any band with normal album-lengths, yes, but it's like having 3 songs from Close To The Edge go through in a Yes survivor.
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As Axver previously mentioned, the only reason a seeding system works better is due to quality. With PF, it should've been done that way because we had to slog our way through mediocre material like More and Obscured By Clouds. With Bowie, you need to do it because he went downhill for a while in the 80's.

But that's not the case with Zeppelin. They were very consistent throughout their career. Yes, the last two albums are weaker, but they each have legitimate classics that stand up to the earlier material, and therefore a basic Survivor works well for them.
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