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Old 12-19-2007, 03:00 PM   #106
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:00 AM   #107
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What did you think of the finale, Muldfeld? On a scale of 1 to 10.
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Old 12-24-2007, 04:54 AM   #108
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Originally posted by Ira Steven Behr
Muldfeld, you are a great fan of the show and I'd like to thank you for the support. This has not gone unnoticed by myself and the crew of the 4400.

I do have to say, however, that your view on the show is completely wrong. You flatter me and our cast of writers with our "political insightful"-ness when in reality, we just like making science fiction.

It won't change the world, but it will make good television. We have decided to end the show because we felt the quality was declining and USA did not wish to continue pursuing the show any further.

I'll tell Ron about your views on Battlestar Galactica as well.


Goodbye.
Very funny. I know you're not Ira because he would have responded to me in other ways and not on this site. You're biggest mistake was saying "we felt the quality of the show was declining." No intelligent fan, least of all Ira, would say that. The show had reached its highest level of quality yet. I'll be the first to admit that much of Seasons 1 and 2 were underwhelming as was the start of Season 4 in some ways. But Season 4's last 8 episodes were nothing short of spectacular.

Nice try, Lemon Macphisto. Also, it's obvious from your comments that you haven't even watched the end of the season!
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Old 12-24-2007, 05:36 AM   #109
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Here's what the REAL Ira Steven Behr had to say:
"it's a drag, isn't it"
paul mccartney's response to
john lennon's murder.

what an a$$hole
i remember thinking
when i first saw
the newsclip
of mccartney's
casual reaction
to such an overwhelming
tragedy

but i was
wrong

lennon's death
it's stunning
gut wrenching
impact
was so immediate
so fraught
so
painful
that no adequate response
was possible
no response
was even
necessary
the event
spoke
for itself.

so

what does the death
of a musical/cultural icon
have to do
with the
cancellation
of a tv series?

fair question

i'll try to explain

what i'll
miss most
about the 4400
aren't the actors
though
i have only
warm feelings
toward them all
or even
my co-writers
including
my partner
in crime
craig sweeny
because
the way
the business works
we can always
find ourselves
toiling away
together
on some other
show

no

what i'm going
to miss most
about the 4400
are the characters
because
the characters
have ceased to exist
their stories
are over
they're
done
finished
gone

which is why

to me
it feels like

tom baldwin
is dead
diana skouris
is dead
jordan collier
is dead
shawn farrell
is dead
kyle baldwin
is dead
marco
dead
burkhoff
dead
tess
dead
even garrity
dead
and on
and on
and on

it's a drag
isn't it?

ira steven behr
showrunner




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Old 12-24-2007, 11:38 AM   #110
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I'm gonna go watch re-runs of DS9.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Muldfeld
Here's what the REAL Ira Steven Behr had to say:
"it's a drag, isn't it"
paul mccartney's response to
john lennon's murder.

what an a$$hole
i remember thinking
when i first saw
the newsclip
of mccartney's
casual reaction
to such an overwhelming
tragedy

but i was
wrong

lennon's death
it's stunning
gut wrenching
impact
was so immediate
so fraught
so
painful
that no adequate response
was possible
no response
was even
necessary
the event
spoke
for itself.

so

what does the death
of a musical/cultural icon
have to do
with the
cancellation
of a tv series?

fair question

i'll try to explain

what i'll
miss most
about the 4400
aren't the actors
though
i have only
warm feelings
toward them all
or even
my co-writers
including
my partner
in crime
craig sweeny
because
the way
the business works
we can always
find ourselves
toiling away
together
on some other
show

no

what i'm going
to miss most
about the 4400
are the characters
because
the characters
have ceased to exist
their stories
are over
they're
done
finished
gone

which is why

to me
it feels like

tom baldwin
is dead
diana skouris
is dead
jordan collier
is dead
shawn farrell
is dead
kyle baldwin
is dead
marco
dead
burkhoff
dead
tess
dead
even garrity
dead
and on
and on
and on

it's a drag
isn't it?

ira steven behr
showrunner

I had no idea that Ira Steven Behr was really Deep's alter.
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Old 12-24-2007, 11:58 AM   #112
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Here's what the REAL Ira Steven Behr had to say:
Well, here's the real story.

There are 2 Ira Steven Behr's: one that exists in the real world, and one that exists in the Internet. Yes, I am Internet Ira Steven Behr.

After being struck by lightening while writing for my hit show, "The 4400," Jeff Bridges and I were both sucked into the world of the Internet. Yes, Jeff Bridges.

So, REAL Ira Steven Behr can say what he wants, but Internet Ira Steven Behr (aka myself) may or may not agree.

Look behind REAL Ira Steven Behr's ear... and see for yourself.
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I had no idea that Ira Steven Behr was really Deep's alter.
Ha! That was my thought, too.
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Guys, do you think that lack of adveritising and not enough budget led to the demise of the political 4400? I do. I also think that had they had more budget money, more of the actors would have stayed, and given the show more flow.
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Real Ira Steven Behr and Internet Ira Steven Behr are both tortured souls.

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Quote:
Originally posted by Muldfeld
Here's what the REAL Ira Steven Behr had to say:
"it's a drag, isn't it"
paul mccartney's response to
john lennon's murder.

what an a$$hole
i remember thinking
when i first saw
the newsclip
of mccartney's
casual reaction
to such an overwhelming
tragedy

but i was
wrong

lennon's death
it's stunning
gut wrenching
impact
was so immediate
so fraught
so
painful
that no adequate response
was possible
no response
was even
necessary
the event
spoke
for itself.

so

what does the death
of a musical/cultural icon
have to do
with the
cancellation
of a tv series?

fair question

i'll try to explain

what i'll
miss most
about the 4400
aren't the actors
though
i have only
warm feelings
toward them all
or even
my co-writers
including
my partner
in crime
craig sweeny
because
the way
the business works
we can always
find ourselves
toiling away
together
on some other
show

no

what i'm going
to miss most
about the 4400
are the characters
because
the characters
have ceased to exist
their stories
are over
they're
done
finished
gone

which is why

to me
it feels like

tom baldwin
is dead
diana skouris
is dead
jordan collier
is dead
shawn farrell
is dead
kyle baldwin
is dead
marco
dead
burkhoff
dead
tess
dead
even garrity
dead
and on
and on
and on

it's a drag
isn't it?

ira steven behr
showrunner


Well no fuckin' wonder the 4400 sucked so much ass - Ira took writing tips from Rosie O'Donnell.
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Old 12-24-2007, 06:14 PM   #118
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Rosie was the inspiration for Jordan Collier. Not Jesus Christ, that would be way too obvious.
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Guys, do you think that lack of adveritising and not enough budget led to the demise of the political 4400? I do. I also think that had they had more budget money, more of the actors would have stayed, and given the show more flow.
I didn't know you were a fan!

I totally agree. The pilot episode has much higher production values in lighting, music. etc. to the rest of the series. The network deprived this show of much-needed funds and then totally failed to promote the show in later seasons, even though it was getting better. I also know that Ira was constantly battling the network over how dark he could make the show. The said one episode "Lockdown" from Season 2 was too violent and cut out lots of violence; Ira feels they never should have done it if not allowed to go all the way. They then felt a more dramatic approach to "Being Tom Baldwin" was too different, so the writers were forced to rewrite it twice and make it more action-driven, but it's perhaps the worst episode that year because it kinda feels formulaic.

I'm pretty darn sure the network was behind the pressure to make more stand alones, which hurt the start of Season 4. There was a big ratings drop off after the 2nd episode, and the network has never accepted the blame for that. The last half of the season was amazing, but no one checked in.
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Rosie was the inspiration for Jordan Collier. Not Jesus Christ, that would be way too obvious.
The Rosie reference is obviously a joke, but the assumption they were only referring to Jesus is very superficial. To the degree he resembled Jesus, it was supposed to be why he was so alluring to so many, yet it may also have been an attempt to point out how historical figures are eventually made into caricatures and that they all have their positive and ugly elements. Jordan's private doubt was often touched upon, and I'm sure even Osama bin Laden has questioned himself. Jordan Collier was referencing many things, including terrorists and socialist revolutionaries like Lenin.

He wanted an egalitarian society to level the playing field between haves and have-nots, so that the Marked (read: the Bush administration and all of us who give in to materialism and individualism over the interests of the community) who wanted hierarchy atop which they'd sit -- buttressed by materialism and unfettered capitalism -- would not rule the world in the future. The coming catastrophe is already here. Just look at the increasing wage gap and lack of funding for governmental programs. In this case the economic power gap was transformed into providing abilities to give the powerless a fighting chance. Yet his vision and methods were never portrayed as easy answers. There was no real fate to be played out -- only what characters chose to believe in.

Ira Steven Behr's writing has always tried to humanize the plight of the poor and disfranchised. (Look at the DVD special feature to the dulll DS9 episode "Past Tense") He's never opted for simple portrayals or given in to simplistic writing; that's part of why he's my hero.

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I'm gonna go watch re-runs of DS9.
I can't think of a better way to spend the holidays!
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I had no idea that Ira Steven Behr was really Deep's alter.
The irony of that statement is that Deep with his love of a great Sci fi show like BSG and interest in politics would have loved The 4400 had he given it a proper chance, but he gave up after 1 bad episode and failed to really see the show's best stuff or realize it's political content. I don't even think he watched more than a few minutes of that awful teaser. All shows have bad episodes, folks.
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