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Old 10-31-2007, 11:58 PM   #226
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I live in the US, but it makes me sick that places like fucking Florida have franchises, but we're down to 6 Canadian franchises. I'd LOVE to see a Quebec franchise again, Winnipeg as well.

Thinking about old school Canadian teams made me think of my Islanders back in the day....used to worship Bossy, Trottier, Smith, Gillies, Potvin, Tonelli, Brent and Duane Sutter, Morrow, Nystrom, etc....
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:45 AM   #227
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If I ran the league...

I'd move Pittsburgh to Winnipeg, Florida to Quebec City, Nashville to Saskatoon, Carolina to Halifax, and Columbus to Seattle. Move Tampa Bay to Orlando and have them become the Florida Lightning. Detroit moves to the Eastern Conference.

This way every province in Canada has a team (thereby putting WAY more bodies into seats than you're going to get in their old cities and contracting 2 Florida teams that barely draw into one that will do decently) and the league looks like this:

East
North Division
Quebec City
Halifax
Boston
Montreal
Buffalo

Central Division
Toronto
Ottawa
Detroit
NY Islanders
NY Rangers

South Division
Atlanta
Florida
Washington
Philadelphia
New Jersey

West
North Division
Seattle
Saskatchewan
Calgary
Edmonton
Vancouver

Central Division
Winnipeg
Minnesota
Colorado
Chicago
St. Louis

South Division
Los Angeles
Anaheim
San Jose
Phoenix
Dallas

Better competition, more bodies in seats, less in travel costs, bigger TV audiences (in Canada especially). And some of those division rivalries would be unreal (VAN-SEA, QUE-MTL-HFX-BOS, the entire East Central, Sask vs. the 2 Alberta teams, WPG-MIN)...

But alas, I'm not Gary Bettman. And now that I think about it, that's a good thing.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:58 AM   #228
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Get Detroit and Chicago in the East and bring back the Canadian teams and I'd be a happy girl.

Maybe even a glowing puck, too, while we're at it.













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Old 11-01-2007, 09:10 AM   #229
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Most of the shitty-drawing teams in need of contraction are in the East though. There's not a whole lot of room for movement from the West to the East so moving both Detroit and Chicago isn't really practical. Unless you send Toronto back to the West, in which case it destroys that awesome division and it doesn't make much sense to have Toronto West and Chicago East.
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Good point.
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:43 AM   #231
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...and Columbus to Seattle


The Blue Jackets finally field a decent team and will push for a playoff spot and you want to move them!
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:47 AM   #232
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Yup. Good thing for you I'm not running the league and Bettman has no problem leaving extraneous teams in cities where they do much worse than they would elsewhere.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:36 AM   #233
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I'd move Pittsburgh to Winnipeg...
I agree with you on almost all of your points save for this one. I think Pittsburgh is a great hockey city, and with a new arena on the way—and, not to mention a great young team—they should be a healthy franchise for years to come.

However, I think Winnipeg should get a franchise somehow.

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This way every province in Canada has a team (thereby putting WAY more bodies into seats than you're going to get in their old cities and contracting 2 Florida teams that barely draw into one that will do decently) and the league looks like this:
Uh, I don't see a team from Moncton, Charlottetown and St. John's on your list.
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New Brunswick, the province everyone forgets
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Old 11-01-2007, 09:53 PM   #236
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Right now it's the relative stability and profitability of the 6 Canadian franchises that is keeping the NHL in the black
Is this opinion or fact? and if it is fact, prove it.

My views are similar to No Spoken Words. I believe there should be more Canadian teams, and seeing a team move from Winnipeg to Phoenix...but it is about the economics. Sask could not support an NHL team, and I am not sure Winnipeg could either.
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Sask could not support an NHL team, and I am not sure Winnipeg could either.
Ooh, I don't know - I'm originally from Sask. and the fans are fanatical about their Roughriders, I can't imagine how they'd be with an NHL team!
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Ooh, I don't know - I'm originally from Sask. and the fans are fanatical about their Roughriders, I can't imagine how they'd be with an NHL team!
I agree that sask has fanatical fans...but that does not mean success for an NHL franchise. Ticket prices are pretty high out there...and I cannot imagine such a small area supporting 40+ games with an average ticket price of 70USD.

I am not sure Saskatoon or Regina could support something like that.
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Perhaps not now but if Sask continues down this same road in the next few years - i.e. discovery of more oil and other natural resources, flush Albertans coming to settle in the province and all around unprecedented economic boom - then perhaps it's a possibility in the future
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Is this opinion or fact? and if it is fact, prove it.
Yeah, perhaps I should have been more clear. My statements are both really, but they stem from an article I read recently (which I tried to Google unsuccessfully).

Basically, the article centred on two main points. One was that while Canadians have flocked back to the arena following the lockout, Americans not so much. Teams such as Detroit, Carolina, Florida, Columbus, Chicago, Boston etc....draw less than stellar crowds while Canadian rinks are filled to the brim.

Another important point was that Canadian franchises have never been healthier, and a big reason for that is the value of the dollar vs. the American greenback. Whereas previously a $US 1-million salary would cost Canadian teams approximately $1.6 million CAD, it's now almost even. Multiply that by 20-22 players and that's quite of bit of money thrown out the window.

Anyway, I think that US hockey will rebound, especially with good young teams in Pittsburgh, Boston, Chicago as well as Detroit, Minnesota, Carolina and finally a decent team in Columbus.
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