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Old 08-19-2007, 01:01 PM   #46
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I thought you hated children(per the 'High School Musical 2' thread)...
True.

But I also believe in the responsibility of a human being to raise a smart and productive child.
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I thought you hated children(per the 'High School Musical 2' thread)...
I think this just proves his point: would you use "Boogie Nights" as a teaching tool for children you LOVED?
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If you're letting a younger child watch this in the first place, you're doing something wrong.
What ?? I was simply explaining why I thought that 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' was indeed Penn's worst movie he could have ever starred in.

The 'role model' equasion came into play when I mentioned Penn's actual movie character, Spicoli ... and how his character does try to 'set an example' or 'standard' for us, as parents, to follow with 'our own young children' ... by saying 'it's alright to get stoned every single moment' ??

You know, those actors/actresses in that movie were portraying such a young age (ex: just starting high school) although, that's NOT the way they should have been exposed as beginning their schooling of freshman year. It just was NOT very realistic in terms of the 1980's generation, because most high schoolers during that era, didn't 'make an attempt' with drugs at all or if possibly they might have ... it was NOT until a later time in their life. (college years)

So to me, Penn's role (and quite a few others in that movie) 'demonstrated' how 'young children' (and by young children, I should have specified "our kids starting high school" ... or maybe I should have said "young teenagers") should be taught by their parents to 'grow up' in high school now ??

That movie did much more harm than good ... as those situations that were supposedly happening ... just were NOT like that for real, during the 1980's high school years.

That is why that's NOT respectfully the way those people should have been portrayed in the movie. As that 'ridiculous and meaningless plot' was not exactly the BEST way to teach our children about 'right and wrong' " ... because, it is 'us' as parents who had seen that movie ... and had that plot come across to us as what happened during our years in high school. So, we can 'pass that off' as a 'realistic encounter' for our children/kids to follow during their high school years ??

Truthfully, Penn fits in that worst movie concept because of his dumb role. Without question, something he should have turned down in his acting career.
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Because it made him an instant star?

Yeah, I'm sure he really regrets that.
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Fuck Sean Penn, Susan Surrandon, and Tim Robbins, Danny Glover and Tito Fuente. All sucking on the Same Tit of Communism Chavezes Socialism And thinking their words are more important than anyone elses when it comes to rights of other, causes etc.. Because there movie Stars. stick to acting and nothing else please.

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Sean Penn was good in I Am Sam.
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What ?? I was simply explaining why I thought that 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' was indeed Penn's worst movie he could have ever starred in.

The 'role model' equasion came into play when I mentioned Penn's actual movie character, Spicoli ... and how his character does try to 'set an example' or 'standard' for us, as parents, to follow with 'our own young children' ... by saying 'it's alright to get stoned every single moment' ??

You know, those actors/actresses in that movie were portraying such a young age (ex: just starting high school) although, that's NOT the way they should have been exposed as beginning their schooling of freshman year. It just was NOT very realistic in terms of the 1980's generation, because most high schoolers during that era, didn't 'make an attempt' with drugs at all or if possibly they might have ... it was NOT until a later time in their life. (college years)

So to me, Penn's role (and quite a few others in that movie) 'demonstrated' how 'young children' (and by young children, I should have specified "our kids starting high school" ... or maybe I should have said "young teenagers") should be taught by their parents to 'grow up' in high school now ??

That movie did much more harm than good ... as those situations that were supposedly happening ... just were NOT like that for real, during the 1980's high school years.

That is why that's NOT respectfully the way those people should have been portrayed in the movie. As that 'ridiculous and meaningless plot' was not exactly the BEST way to teach our children about 'right and wrong' " ... because, it is 'us' as parents who had seen that movie ... and had that plot come across to us as what happened during our years in high school. So, we can 'pass that off' as a 'realistic encounter' for our children/kids to follow during their high school years ??

Truthfully, Penn fits in that worst movie concept because of his dumb role. Without question, something he should have turned down in his acting career.
What about Jennifer Jason Leigh's depressing abortion subplot? And I do remember Spicoli eventually trying to do well in school and his heart-to-heart moments with Mr. Hand. Sure it's not setting a great example for the youth of America, but like I said, it's a Teen Sex Comedy. Penn might not have had some Oscar-winning performance in this movie, but who really cares? And if you do, I don't think you should, but that's just me.

People also forget other now-serious actor Forest Whitaker was in Fast Times, too. It's not like he's ashamed of being in it.
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I did like that Fast Times at Ridgemont High had the little plot point about how sex for the first time isn't nearly as good as your friends might have led you to believe.

Hey, I think that's an important thing to learn.
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What about Jennifer Jason Leigh's depressing abortion subplot?
Yes indeed, another 'venture' in this movie that was NOT realistic for the 80's generation. You could say that this should have been a 90's made movie. Then I would consider it more realistic to the changing times of society.

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And I do remember Spicoli eventually trying to do well in school and his heart-to-heart moments with Mr. Hand.
OK ... I'll give you this one. This was GREAT to see happen. Something that actually made sense.

But again, Spicoli's image was later blown once again ... at the end of the movie when he supposedly saved Brooke Shields from drowning and then how does he spend his reward money ?? Yeah, on hiring Van Halen to sing at his birthday party !! Like I said, Penn had a totally ridiculous character ... absolutely dumb role.

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Sure it's not setting a great example for the youth of America, but like I said, it's a Teen Sex Comedy. Penn might not have had some Oscar-winning performance in this movie, but who really cares? And if you do, I don't think you should, but that's just me.
Honestly, I don't care about whether or not he EVER had an Oscar-winning performance. I was only talking about why I thought that his role in that particular movie was DUMB !! You know, in the movie "Bad Boys" ... he did a much better job in his role character. The movie plot was indeed realistic ... and to also mention, he learned from his mistakes of criminal behavior. When he was sentenced to that correctional facility ... it made him a better person in the end.

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People also forget other now-serious actor Forest Whitaker was in Fast Times, too. It's not like he's ashamed of being in it.
You're gonna give me an example with the character of Charles Jefferson ?? I could see your point here (serious actor) if you would have mentioned Ray Walston.
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You're gonna give me an example with the character of Charles Jefferson ?? I could see your point here (serious actor) if you would have mentioned Ray Walston.
Ray Walston was the man. He was the best martian ever, but my point was a younger actor who, over time, became a serious actor.

Fast Times, while not an accurate depiction of the '80s generation, is an enjoyable movie. Especially Phoebe Cates.

Definitely Phoebe Cates.
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What ?? I was simply explaining why I thought that 'Fast Times at Ridgemont High' was indeed Penn's worst movie he could have ever starred in.

The 'role model' equasion came into play when I mentioned Penn's actual movie character, Spicoli ... and how his character does try to 'set an example' or 'standard' for us, as parents, to follow with 'our own young children' ... by saying 'it's alright to get stoned every single moment' ??

You know, those actors/actresses in that movie were portraying such a young age (ex: just starting high school) although, that's NOT the way they should have been exposed as beginning their schooling of freshman year. It just was NOT very realistic in terms of the 1980's generation, because most high schoolers during that era, didn't 'make an attempt' with drugs at all or if possibly they might have ... it was NOT until a later time in their life. (college years)

So to me, Penn's role (and quite a few others in that movie) 'demonstrated' how 'young children' (and by young children, I should have specified "our kids starting high school" ... or maybe I should have said "young teenagers") should be taught by their parents to 'grow up' in high school now ??

That movie did much more harm than good ... as those situations that were supposedly happening ... just were NOT like that for real, during the 1980's high school years.

That is why that's NOT respectfully the way those people should have been portrayed in the movie. As that 'ridiculous and meaningless plot' was not exactly the BEST way to teach our children about 'right and wrong' " ... because, it is 'us' as parents who had seen that movie ... and had that plot come across to us as what happened during our years in high school. So, we can 'pass that off' as a 'realistic encounter' for our children/kids to follow during their high school years ??

Truthfully, Penn fits in that worst movie concept because of his dumb role. Without question, something he should have turned down in his acting career.
I love the movie, it makes me laugh every time.

I grew up in the 80's and while this film may or may not represent my teenaged years, perhaps it accurately caught teenage life in SoCal? And even if it did not, it's a comedy, not a documentary.

And, when a Sean Penn debate pops up and "Bad Boys" starts getting referenced as a good movie or a strong performance, I think it's possible that the whole thread has gone astray.

But that's just me.
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I grew up in the 80's and while this film may or may not represent my teenaged years, perhaps it accurately caught teenage life in SoCal? And even if it did not, it's a comedy, not a documentary.
Yeah, I agree. Just because I wasn't living the life of trying to get laid and get drunk every night in high school doesn't mean other teens weren't.

(I think that's part of the reason I was disappointed in Superbad, too - I couldn't relate to the goal of sex and partying, and I found myself annoyed by the characters instead of finding them funny. But ANYWAY. Back to Fast Times ...)

And how was the abortion plotline unrealistic? Did girls not need abortions in the 80s?
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