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Old 10-16-2007, 02:57 PM   #271
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I think it's a shame that rugby isn't as popular in the UK as it is in the southern hemisphere. I mean footy's great and all (the only sport that I will ever fully support England in ) but there's just something else about rugby. People are going absolutely mad back home about the final right now, and I imagine the excitement in England is probably only a fraction of that.
It's true, my whole family are rugby mental, and I assumed that the rest of the country was as such. I go to college just across the road from the Twickenham rugby ground and all the pubs (there being one every three or so shops ) is backing them - but just speaking to people my age, I've only been able to have one decent conversation with someone about it. Most people don't care, or don't have the patience or willpower or whatever to sit through a match... It's safe to say people give much more of a damn about the football. Which I don't get; what the hell is so exciting about being Estonia 3-0 when they're the shittest team out there?

Anyway, I hate this shit "England don't deserve to be in the final" - what's better than a team who really did not look like they would pull through the groups (which actually would've been the worst defence of the RWC in history) but've somehow found their feet and are now playing decent rugby. We've been the underdogs much of the way through, and after the embaressing 36-0 lose to SA, every game, I've thought would be our last. Beating france was no small thing, the home nation! They'd beat the All Blacks, they were the favourites to win - and we still beat them. I think it would be fantastic if we won, I think it would be the first time a team has ever retained the cup...

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BTW, I forgot to mention that the officiating in the SA - Pumas match was quite questionable... which has been an unfortunate trend in this World Cup. Lots of penalties by SA not called... a clear punch to Roncero's face in SA's first try by Habana... and so on and so forth. Probably would not have changed the outcome but did its job in demoralizing the Pumas...
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It's true, my whole family are rugby mental, and I assumed that the rest of the country was as such. I go to college just across the road from the Twickenham rugby ground and all the pubs (there being one every three or so shops ) is backing them - but just speaking to people my age, I've only been able to have one decent conversation with someone about it. Most people don't care, or don't have the patience or willpower or whatever to sit through a match... It's safe to say people give much more of a damn about the football. Which I don't get; what the hell is so exciting about being Estonia 3-0 when they're the shittest team out there?

i am much more of a football fan but i still think it's quite sad that in a sport in which england are actually quite good at, the highest attendance at leicester tigers (the current league champions) is only 16,000. every single team in the premiership (football) gets higher gates than that and a fair few teams in the league below it do too.

Rugby is becoming more popular here though. on tv they had a report saying more and more kids at schools were taking up the sport.
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Old 10-17-2007, 10:09 AM   #274
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All Blacks defeat by France:
Referee Wayne Barnes made at least three serious errors that went against the All Blacks late in the World Cup quarterfinal against France, an International Rugby Board (IRB) panel has found. France scored the winning try from a forward pass and committed at least two other two offences that could have been penalised, the IRB referees' selection panel found.

IRB referees' manager, New Zealander Paddy O'Brien, said the panel still gave Barnes a pass mark and reiterated he did not cost the All Blacks the game. O'Brien said a review of Englishman Barnes and touch judges Jonathan Kaplan and Tony Spreadbury, found a series of wrong calls against the All Blacks.

A successful penalty would have been enough to win the match for the All Blacks, but Barnes did not award one penalty against France in the second half. Barnes' has come under close scrutiny, particularly his performance late in the match in which the All Blacks -- desperate for points -- retained the ball for more than 25 consecutive phases.

An examination of that period by international media has shown repeated offences by the French which went unnoticed and unpunished by match officials. O'Brien, a former New Zealand policeman and Test referee, has consistently supported Barnes, saying while he made mistakes he could not be held responsible for the All Blacks' defeat.

"Wayne's game's been (reviewed) by all four selectors and myself, probably under more scrutiny than any other game due to the interest in it," O'Brien said today. "There were errors made. There was a scrum turnover not given in the first half that should have been.

"There was clearly the forward pass that was missed by all three officials and, at the end of the day, with Wayne being the referee he must take responsibility for that. "There were two calls, one with a hand in the ruck and one with offside at a ruck in the last 10 minutes, which the touch judge should have given him.

"We've certainly reviewed the touch judges' performance and that's been reflected in our appointments for the third-fourth playoff and the final. Both of those touch judges have missed out." O'Brien said he was not prepared to concede that Barnes, a 28-year-old former barrister who has been refereeing Test matches for less than a year, was overawed by the quarterfinal appointment.

"I think there were a lot of factors involved in New Zealand not winning that game and one of them was some issues with refereeing and touch judging -- and we've always said that -- but to blame him for the loss is completely wrong," he said.

O'Brien said Barnes would be considered for appointment to matches in New Zealand, though threats had been made against him by angry All Blacks fans. "Wayne is going to be on the international scene for some time and he will definitely be in New Zealand within the next couple of years," he said.

"Wayne is a world-class referee and he will be appointed to any match that we think he can referee."

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http://www.allblacks.com/index.cfm?l...wsArticle=7155
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hmmm...
I'm not quite certain how missing the forward pass in a try that gave the French it's winning points could be said to have NOT cost the All Blacks the game....
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I wish I really understood rugby since that's all I'm hearing about at the moment. I will prob. end up watching England v. SA on Sat though...
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Go Pumas!!!

34 - 10!!! Bronze medal!!!

A historic world cup for Argentina! If only we would have played like this against the Springboks... anyway, great World Cup!
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Oh, this tournament is still going?

A meagre four games in a whole bloody fortnight has sent me completely apathetic. I'm not even going to bother to watch the final live as I'd have to drag myself out of bed at 5am. Maybe I'll catch a replay of it. South Africa are going to obliterate England anyway.

You'd have thought the IRB would have learnt a thing or two from the agonisingly drawn out Cricket World Cup earlier this year, but evidently not. If you don't have a team to support, two weeks is a bloody long time and with nothing to engage you over the space of a week, it's too easy to lose interest. I want to care; I just feel like this tournament should have finished a week ago!

I must say, though, I am thoroughly delighted with Argentina's third placing, and it's nice to see France get their arses kicked. This is an absolutely wonderful thing for world rugby, the best thing to happen this year, and I sincerely hope this is enough to ensure the Pumas swift entry to the Tri-Nations.
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Old 10-20-2007, 12:18 PM   #279
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I'm so looking forward to the game tonight, I went out today and the streets are full of England (and quite a few Boks) shirts. It's been 36 days since our embarressing 36-0 lose, but the cup is so close now, and we've upped our game so much. I think it will be a much closer game this time. It's a pity Lewsey won't be playing.
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Fucking hell that was boring
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I am so fucking bitter right now. We SHOULD'VE got that fucking try I can't even think of anything productive to say. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck.
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Boring match! Not one try! Well, excluding that one that England might have scored... Very questionable decision. I think his knee may have just touched the line. Just. A very tough call and it's going to be talked about a lot in the days to come. To be frank, I thought England played better offensively as a team than South Africa did. Percy Montgomery was fucking hopeless when attempting to kick the ball into touch. Not bad at his penalties, but still... Even my dad thought England should win. That's saying something, because he loathes England.

South Africa's defence was very good though, England couldn't take advantage of our sloppy playing. In the end, that's probably what made the difference. That disallowed try came early enough for England to make another attempt, and they couldn't do it. So well done to the Bokke for keeping the Poms back.



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What a boring final!!!! (naturally, the Pumas should have been there... ).

In any event, I think the best team of the World Cup won it... and the only undefeated one so no questioning there.

I hope the Pumas are allowed in the Tri-Nations... they probably won't let them into the 6 Nations, now that they beat Ireland, Scotland and France (twice).
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I agree that the best team of the World Cup won it.

Congratulations to South Africa. Commiserations to England.
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Hahaha, I just received a very drunken phone call from one of my old friends from Natal! They're going absolutely mad down there. It's the crack of dawn and they're still going!

Three cheers for Os du Randt. What a way to go out, hey? Two world cups for his country. I've been a fan of his since 1995.



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