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Old 01-17-2005, 01:46 PM   #106
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Old 01-18-2005, 12:59 AM   #107
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Here's your evidence: Brady won, manning lost.
Is AJ Feely a better QB than Tom Brady? According to you, he is.

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Brady threw for a TD, ran for a TD, and converted sveral key 3rd down passes.
manning threw 1 INT, and really it was 2, since Rhodes never had control of the ball Bruschi ripped away, so statistically it should be on Manning, but lets face it it belongs on Rhodes. And If Eugene Wilson could catch, Manning would have had another Int and the game would have been a shutout as it should have been.
It wasn't Manning's best game, I'll say that. But it's interesting that you are able to recall a dropped interception that would have gone against Manning, yet forget that Brady threw at least two balls that should have been picked, but weren't.

Brady got the job done, he's very good at that, and he's one of the better QBs in the league. Where would the Patriots have been without Dillon, though? Manning had a better passing game than Brady in terms of yardage, and average. If Dillon isn't running against the Colts defense, I don't think that the Patriots would have come near scoring 20 points.

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Lets just compare the 2 QB's on 3rd and goal...Manning gets pressure, gets happy feet and throws the ball directly to Eugene Wilson(while not seeing 2 open receivers). Brady gets pressure, slides up and to his left, buys time and hits David givens in stride while throwing across his body for a TD.
Yes, Peyton Manning was outperformed by Tom Brady on their only third and goals. A sample space of one play isn't really the most accurate measure of who's a better QB, especially when Manning usuall nails that play. But I agree, the Colts should have scored there, and didn't because Manning didn't keep his eyes open.

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Yes the amazing secondary, with the 2 top corners on IR, a rookie starting at 1 corner and a wide receiver playing the slot receiver.
I posted when I was tired, I had meant to say "surprisingly amazing" instead of just amazing.

The commentators were saying all game that nobody was open downfield, and because Manning didn't take any shots, I'll assume that they were correct. Kudos to the Patriots' secondary, but I don't see how Manning's good choice to not force balls in is a strike against him.

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Now this is just laughable, please bring more than this to the table if you're gonna argue...1st...Brady has 2 Superbowl championships and MVPs and may have his 3rd in 3 weeks. If you're gonna compare, Manning is marino to Brady's Montana...and no doubt in my mind or most people's, I'd take Montana over Marino every Sunday.
All I'm doing is showing that the argument that a QB on a championship team is automatically better than a QB who isn't doesn't work. A lot of people like to throw that around, and as a Cubs fan I see it a lot with regards to Joe Morgan and Ryne Sandberg.

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Thanks for playing, go hit the golf course with Manning and Vandershank and enjoy your offseason yet again.
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Old 01-18-2005, 01:14 AM   #108
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I am a fan of Peyton, but he seems to do a lot of in big games....I think the kicker may have had a point.
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Is AJ Feely a better QB than Tom Brady? According to you, he is.
Of course Feely didn't make the playoffs, and if you wanna go ahead and use that logic, Ben Roethlisberger is also better than Brady, butBrady (twice), Trent Green, Byron Leftwich and Jake Plummer (Manning did start the week 17 game) are better than Peyton. So Ok, you're right on this one.


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It wasn't Manning's best game, I'll say that. But it's interesting that you are able to recall a dropped interception that would have gone against Manning, yet forget that Brady threw at least two balls that should have been picked, but weren't.
None right into a DB's belly and most importantly not in the end zone.

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Brady got the job done, he's very good at that, and he's one of the better QBs in the league. Where would the Patriots have been without Dillon, though? Manning had a better passing game than Brady in terms of yardage, and average. If Dillon isn't running against the Colts defense, I don't think that the Patriots would have come near scoring 20 points.
Actually I believe if Dillon doesn't chew up so much clock, and Brady throws more against that defense the Pats score well into the 30's.



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Yes, Peyton Manning was outperformed by Tom Brady on their only third and goals. A sample space of one play isn't really the most accurate measure of who's a better QB, especially when Manning usuall nails that play. But I agree, the Colts should have scored there, and didn't because Manning didn't keep his eyes open.
No, Manning has been ouperfomed by Brady every time they have opposed each other on the same field...6 head to head games, 6 wins for Brady, zero for Manning.



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I posted when I was tired, I had meant to say "surprisingly amazing" instead of just amazing.
I'll let you slide here then


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All I'm doing is showing that the argument that a QB on a championship team is automatically better than a QB who isn't doesn't work. A lot of people like to throw that around, and as a Cubs fan I see it a lot with regards to Joe Morgan and Ryne Sandberg.
So many people like to make it out like Brady is a chump who happens to play on a good team. Watch this team 16 games a year and you'll realize that while certainly he has a better overall team than many (though not nearly the skill position weapons that Manning has at his disposal), Brady is the leader of the team, his command of the offense and game management are superior to at least 29 starting QBs in the current NFL, its not like all he does is hand off, he delivers late game drives when needed in the clutch (including 2 Superbowl winning drives) with a calm not seen in the league since Montana.



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if i had to pick one quarterback and one quarterback alone, tom brady is #2 on my list... once peyton's gone, he's the guy i take, if i'm starting from day one...

if i'm starting in the super bowl and only have one game to win, i take brady.
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Manning is marino to Brady's Montana...and no doubt in my mind or most people's, I'd take Montana over Marino every Sunday.
Dear GOD please tell me you're not comparing Tom Brady to Joe Montana...
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Dear GOD please tell me you're not comparing Tom Brady to Joe Montana...
Dave, he's not there yet, but if the Pats win another sb you'll have to give it consideration...Montana had how many hall of famers around him?...how many does TB?
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Dear GOD please tell me you're not comparing Tom Brady to Joe Montana...
Dave, do yourself a favor before sounding uninformed, and compare the numbers from Montana's first 4 seasons to Brady's and then come back and see if your tune changes.( Besides what were you, like 8 when Montana retired? How can you knock the comparisons if you never watched the man play during his prime?)

Here's a sampling for ya, Montana from 1980-1983 vs Brady from 2001-2004:

Montana: 1032-1622, .636%, 77TD, 44INT
Brady: 1242-2015, .616%, 97TD, 52 INT

Now for playoffs, Montana led the 49ers to the playoffs twice his first 4 years, 1981 and 1983, and won 1 Superbowl in 1981
Brady has led his team to the playoffs 3 times, 2001, 2003 and 2004 and has won 2 Superbowls, 2001 and 2003 and is still alive for a 3rd.

So you see while Brady has to pla another decade before we can truly compare, he stands up quite nicely as this generation's version of Joe Montana.
All you Manning fans want to tout Peyton as this generation's Marino (I'll give you the zero championships part at least), but he has to play another 8 years or so before you can accurately compare, but his numbers thus far do match up reasonably well, and if so, Brady's numbers thru 4 seasons match up extremely well with Montana's.
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the brady to montana comparison is a good one... both never put up amazingly flashly numbers, ala marino or manning, but both simply just get the job done and rarely make game costing mistakes.

that said... even if brady wins another, he's still not montana... besides the winning and efficency, montana also had some of the greatest and most memorable come-from-behind victories in NFL history... brady is arguably not even the most clutch guy on his team, as most would give that nod to the stupid idiot kicker.
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At least our kicker ain't all liquored up.
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SeaBass?? He likes to do a lot weirder stuff than Vandershank.
Didn't he give himself roofies once...wonder if he took advantage of himself.
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Didn't he give himself roofies once...wonder if he took advantage of himself.


i'm gonna say yes
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now how would taking advantage of oneself work...?
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Perhaps he was only expecting the left hand and the right came in for some unexpected action.
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