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Old 06-29-2007, 02:12 AM   #46
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ridiculous.

i can't believe how few of you know anything about blur. what is it about oasis that makes them so popular around here?
I can answer that. Americans love traditional pop, and Oasis just updates typical Beatlesish pop. Blue and Pulp use British accents and that's less popular, less Americana. It's why The Edge recently said he wished he'd written "Wonderwall". It's the same problem with U2 nowadays -- trying to be like The Beatles and have their mass legacy instead of being themselves.
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No All Around the World? Shorten it about 3 minutes, but it's still a great track. Some of those are Definitely Maybe/Morning Glory b-sides, and Going Nowhere is nowhere to be found, ironically. I still like the tracklist regardless, though.
No, no All Around The World... It's not a bad song or anything, but it just a little too over the top for me. They should've released that track on a soundtrack.

They're all Morning Glory B-Sides (those not directly from BHN anyway). Reason why is because Noel said that if they hadn't released those songs as B-Sides and instead saved them for BHN, that album would've been much better.
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I do like Oasis quite a bit actually, but like other people have said BHN is very overblown, Dyou Know What I mean, Magic Pie, Stand by Me, Getting Better Man and All Around The World are all way, way too long, the album is basically one continous peice of noise, theres hardly any gaps between the tracks. Early Oasis are very repetitive, I like Morning Glory, Roll With It, Rock and Roll Star but after they've repeated the chorus line more than 5 times I get bored. That said Liams voice is great on BHN, My Big Mouth, Fade In Out and Don't Go Away are all great IMO.

I think the problem with Oasis ever since BHN is that they've never really tried to change or develop their sound, they're not into experimentation like the Beatles were, as a result people feel that if you've heard one Oasis song you've heard them all. They are treading water a bit and the last few albums haven't been awful, but they haven't been great either. Song bird, Better Man and Importance of being Idle are good songs but fairly standard fare for Oasis.

That said I'd probably vote for DM over Parklife.

BTW if you want to find a lost Oasis classic get the Go Let It Out single, the B side is Lets All Make Believe, which is one of their very best.
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They were going to blow the US wide open and then they released Be Here Now and that was the end of them.
So had Oasis released an excellent 3rd album as their first two were do you think that they'd have been as big in America as U2 are?

When you think about it if U2 hadn't released the Joshua Tree when they did and released a poor album maybe they would never have made it on a worldwide scale either??

It seems to me Oasis' songs are maybe just to British, where as U2's albums are much more exceptable to a wider audience.
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So had Oasis released an excellent 3rd album as their first two were do you think that they'd have been as big in America as U2 are?

It seems to me Oasis' songs are maybe just to British, where as U2's albums are much more exceptable to a wider audience.
As big as U2? No, but they would have been much bigger than they are...that album, even though I like it, sunk them here.

I don't think it has anything to do with being "too British"...
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I don't think it has anything to do with being "too British"...
I don't think so either. Besides, Oasis weren't nearly as overtly British as their contemporaries.
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I don't think so either. Besides, Oasis weren't nearly as overtly British as their contemporaries.
True, plus Oasis were actively reaching out to the US audience whereas their contemporaries weren't...
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So had Oasis released an excellent 3rd album as their first two were do you think that they'd have been as big in America as U2 are?

When you think about it if U2 hadn't released the Joshua Tree when they did and released a poor album maybe they would never have made it on a worldwide scale either??

It seems to me Oasis' songs are maybe just to British, where as U2's albums are much more exceptable to a wider audience.
I don't know if they'd have been as big... Bands like U2 or the Beatles or Elvis or whoever are once in a generation type things. Especially in modern terms where Rock N Roll is all but dead commercially.. But they certainly would have been more than the footnote that they are now. I think they could have reached Red Hot Chilli Peppers or Pearl Jam levels in the rock n roll history book.

U2 were already on a world wide scale thanks to War and Live Aid, but had Josh Tree been an equivalent to BHN, yeah, we probably wouldn't even be here talking about them today. Keep in mind up till the Josh Tree, they were a pretty hit and miss group. October had failed, War did well but contemporarily speaking didn't set the world on fire (outside of MTV anyway), The Unforgettable Fire didn't do well other than Pride. If the Joshua Tree was crap, or inaccessable or however you want to term it, then yeah, there wouldn't have been a Rattle & Hum and probably not an Achtung Baby for that matter.

As to being too British, the Beatles songs are very British but they're even more widely accepted...
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No, no All Around The World... It's not a bad song or anything, but it just a little too over the top for me. They should've released that track on a soundtrack.

They're all Morning Glory B-Sides (those not directly from BHN anyway). Reason why is because Noel said that if they hadn't released those songs as B-Sides and instead saved them for BHN, that album would've been much better.
He's definitely right
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I love the Morning Glory B-sides.

Add those to the best cuts from Be Here Now - what an album that could have been.
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Definitely Maybe is easily better. Brilliant fucking album. The best debut record of all time, in my opinion
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Americans love traditional pop, and Oasis just updates typical Beatlesish pop. Blue and Pulp use British accents and that's less popular, less Americana. It's why The Edge recently said he wished he'd written "Wonderwall". It's the same problem with U2 nowadays -- trying to be like The Beatles and have their mass legacy instead of being themselves.
Yeah, I think I agree with you! Blur and Pulp sound overtly british and never bothered to disguise their accents like Oasis and esp. U2 did! Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Americans in general cannot relate all that much to a very very British sounding song like Parklife. I know I'm making a generalization but
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PARK LIFE

LAst year me and my best mate in my group kept singing lines from that song lmao.
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Yeah, I think I agree with you! Blur and Pulp sound overtly british and never bothered to disguise their accents like Oasis and esp. U2 did!
I think it's the other way around. I think Damon and Jarvis do alot of talk singing where their accents are exagerated due to over enunciating, but when they actually sing sing, they lose their accents. Most do. You can't even understand the dudes in Oasis until they sing, same with Ozzy. Same with Radiohead.
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Early Oasis are very repetitive
I think that's why, although I like Definitely Maybe, I don't love it like some do. You have a brilliant opener with Rock 'n' Roll Star then it's a bunch of songs that, while great, do sound very similiar in style ( I think DM is as much a wall of noise as BHN is). The only breaks from this would be Digsy's Dinner and Married With Children (plus the brilliant Sad Song if you're including it). Slide Away is completely ruined by the way it's a ballad in pub rock clothing. The music completely overpowers what Liam is singing and they don't fit comfortably together at all IMHO.
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