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Old 02-25-2002, 04:38 PM   #1
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Outkast's comment regarding U2

Okay, Outkast says of U2 "they'll probably win album of the year, because they are at the end of their rope." Do you think that this is the height of their career, and after this, it'll all be downhill? What do you think the future of the band is? Bono's voice isn't getting any better, and they aren't getting any younger. What do you all think will happen?

I remember in the Pop days, most thought U2's commercial success was behind them, but look at them now. What is everyone's prediction of the greatest band in the world?

I realize that this is a forum for things non-U2 related, but this is the only forum people ever go to anymore.
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Old 02-25-2002, 04:52 PM   #2
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hahaha on all accounts

(including the "I realize that this is a forum for things non-U2 related, but this is the only forum people ever go to anymore." remark)

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Old 02-25-2002, 05:26 PM   #3
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oh well, as if this topic isnt discussed every week

Just search the forums and you'll find threads a plenty about bono & the boys selling out bla bla bla
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(including the "I realize that this is a forum for things non-U2 related, but this is the only forum people ever go to anymore." remark)
at first i didn't think that was the funniest part but now i do
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"they'll probably win album of the year, because they are at the end of their rope."

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All right, since I know this question has een posed before and I never said anything because I mostly lurk about on the forums, I'll just add in my 2 cents.

I don't agree with Outkast's statement, however I can see where they are coming from even if what they did say seemed tinted with a tad of jealousy. People that don't closely follow U2 may have a different view of their career, where they are headed, when they are supposedly going to throw in the towel. I remember people saying U2 were washed up with the release of POP, labelling the record as mediocre, and labelling the band as has-beens. This is all fine - they're opinions and they are welcome to them.

I also remember people saying the same thing after the release of the Rattle and Hum movie and record.

I even remember far back to the October days when people said U2 wouldn't last.

I remember people saying during the Joshua Tree days that that moment in time was the pinnacle of their career and that no matter what, they would never achieve that grand status every again.

I also remember how wildly successful Achtung Baby was, and how the greatest band of the 80's were able to hold their ground in the early part of the 90's.

How wrong everyone was, to make these wild predictions about U2 - but take into consideration that these opinions are based on a band who is in the public eye, even inbetween records and tours. A band of U2's magnitude is up for public speculation and obviously people are going to draw their own conclusions.

One thing U2 has always done that has made me respect them all these years is they keep coming back and surprising everyone. ATYCLB is proof of that. Even though I love U2 and have seen them grow and grow over the years, I was skeptical of how well their latest record was going to be perceived. Were people going to knock U2 down for being old has-beens? Was their tour going to be more successful than the POP tour? Are people going to think U2 lost the old spark they had from the Joshua Tree and Achtung days? How wrong I was to even be skeptical of their success - U2 proved me, and countless other people no doubt, wrong. They keep plugging away making the music they want to make, and they do it successfully and they please their fans and make some new fans along the way. I know one day the band probably will throw in the towel, as all good things come to an end eventually. But right now with the success they had with ATYCLB, from a musical standpoint they must feel inspired to keep plugging along and making music. I don't think it's appropriate to start speculating the end of U2's career just yet.



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Okay, Outkast says of U2 "they'll probably win album of the year, because they are at the end of their rope." Do you think that this is the height of their career, and after this, it'll all be downhill? What do you think the future of the band is? Bono's voice isn't getting any better, and they aren't getting any younger. What do you all think will happen?

I remember in the Pop days, most thought U2's commercial success was behind them, but look at them now. What is everyone's prediction of the greatest band in the world?

I realize that this is a forum for things non-U2 related, but this is the only forum people ever go to anymore.
No..

I think U2 will continue to have commercial success. Age has nothing to do with it. Who says you can't make your best music 20 or more years into your musical career? And if not best music, still, good music. Bob Dylan and Aerosmith (although I can't exactly say they are as good musically, they are still around, and lapping up the commercial success they get) are good examples.

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I hope U2 win album of the year. But Stankonia is probably a better album, you can't really fault Outkast for being upset if they don't win. But really, who cares? It's just the Grammys, Celine Dion won album of the year a few years ago. So it isn't really as prestigous as everybody pretends it is.

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OK yeah, I feel Outkast. They aren't U2 fans, so they don't know what they're talking about. And it must be a damn shame to realease an album as great as Stankonia, and have to be up against ATYCLB. But again, they're not fans and U think U2's gonna do just fine till they decide they're done. But I mean come on, Outkast are the type of people make the club get crunk. I don't hate the player, I hate the game.

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At the end of the day, U2 will last longer than OutKast, and perhaps OutKast know that.

I see where they are coming from - and no, Stankonia is not a better album than ATYCLB.

It's a fabulous and ground-breaking hip-hop record, so perhaps - it's more ground-breaking than ATYCLB.

In terms of the quality when comparing both albums, there is no comparison. Those albums stand worlds apart - and although OutKast is my favorite hip-hop act, if they are going to make public statements about acts such as U2, I think they should perhaps get their head out of their musical ghetto and learn about all kinds of music - not just the ones that are products of their neighborhood, culture or clique.

Thank goodness Missy Elliot, as influential and respected as she is in the hip-hop community gives "props" to rock, etc. Same with the Neptunes, and same with Timbaland. Intelligent hip-hop acts such as OutKast need to forge more of a communal vibe with all kinds of music - if they preach "diversity" they should at least live by that credo.

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Outkast will be lucky to have 1/10th the success of U2.

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Yes. Stankonia is better than ATYCLB.

In my mind, its not even debatable. The level of brilliance on Stankonia is phenomenal, and ATYCLB just cant hold a candle to it.

I love ATYCLB, but Stankonia is just THAT GOOD.

And OutKast not getting its head out of its musical ghetto??

OK. Whatever. OutKast is by far the freshest sounding, most profound hip-hop group out there now, expanding their genre by leaps and bounds. Their albums show this diversity. Live guitars. Influences from funk, jazz, rock, just to name a few.

I think Big Boi was just referring to the age of U2. Come on. It is really hard to see how much farther U2 can go at this point in their lives. We all know theres still magic there, but to everyone else, it might not be that obvious.



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Yes. Stankonia is better than ATYCLB.

In my mind, its not even debatable. The level of brilliance on Stankonia is phenomenal, and ATYCLB just cant hold a candle to it.

I love ATYCLB, but Stankonia is just THAT GOOD.

And OutKast not getting its head out of its musical ghetto??

OK. Whatever. OutKast is by far the freshest sounding, most profound hip-hop group out there now, expanding their genre by leaps and bounds. Their albums show this diversity. Live guitars. Influences from funk, jazz, rock, just to name a few.

I think Big Boi was just referring to the age of U2. Come on. It is really hard to see how much farther U2 can go at this point in their lives. We all know theres still magic there, but to everyone else, it might not be that obvious.

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You make some good points...

However,
U2 is on their 3rd! High Point with JT and AB being their first two....this is Outkast 1st high point and he will be lucky to have another(although he is the most original of his genre)....remeber, the music industry is an industry full of big egos(Bono's may be the biggest!!), jealousy, bitterness, etc...and I think that Outkast got ahead of himself here...but he will probably be right....if some of us U2 fans don't like these comments that other artists are making b4 the grammy's, wait til you here what the jealous bastards are gonna say AFTER U2 has a good night.....
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MBH:

Not to nitpick, but Outkast is a "they," not a "he." Specifically, Outkast is two hip-hoppers, Dre 3000 and Big Boi. So they're basically a two-man group, in the fine tradition of Hall & Oates, Wham, and Savage Garden.

(Kidding, of course.)

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And OutKast not getting its head out of its musical ghetto??

OK. Whatever. OutKast is by far the freshest sounding, most profound hip-hop group out there now, expanding their genre by leaps and bounds. Their albums show this diversity. Live guitars. Influences from funk, jazz, rock, just to name a few.
You just said exactly what I was gonna say.
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