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Old 05-30-2007, 04:03 PM   #181
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correction... no possibly. the bulls would deffinetly win the east with kobe.
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Old 05-30-2007, 05:59 PM   #182
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Headache...take solace in the fact the Knicks' front office isn't the only utterly incompetent big market front office in the NBA.

Jesus christ.

You got Old Man Buss, who wants his son, who knows fuck all about basketball, to be the next to run the basketball side of things, you got Phil Jackson who WANTS to be the next to run the basketball side of things, and who also happens to be banging Old Man Buss's little girl. You got Old Man Buss who clearly doesn't want Phil to have any part of the running the basketball side of things, and hence he has to let Jeanie have minimal input on said side of things because giving the keys to Jeanie is giving the keys to Phil. And THEN you have Buffoon Kupcheck who really doesn't do shit. He's a figurehead.

The fact that the downward spiral of the Lakers started shortly after Jerry West's departure is no coincidence.

The only reason that the Buss regime isn't getting as much flack as the Dolan regime is because A)the Dolan regime doesn't have 8 championships on its resume and B)The Buss regime hasn't really overpaid talentless people for undeserved periods of time to the extent that the Dolan regime has.
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correction... no possibly. the bulls would deffinetly win the east with kobe.
Depends on what the Bullies had to give back to make the trade work.
Kobe could end up in a similar situation in Chi-Town if the Bulls send too much young talent to LA for him.
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Well that's just it. It doesn't give us a back to the basket post player yet...but I guess maybe a superstar would perhaps change that need.

I'm all for trading Ben Gordon and Ben Wallace for someone who will help the team. Not Deng though.
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Depends on what the Bullies had to give back to make the trade work.
Kobe could end up in a similar situation in Chi-Town if the Bulls send too much young talent to LA for him.
key difference... the east sucks, the west is good, and is only getting better.

put the lakers in the east and where are they... third? fourth? are they really worse than cleveland? really? honestly? kobe's better than lebron... odom's better than anyone else on the cavs... and phil's certainly the better coach.

kobe bryant's the best player in the league. put him in the east and whatever team he's on is an instant contender for the eastern conference title. put him on a team that's already just a piece short, such as chicago, and they're the favorites. deng, gordon and wallace for kobe and bynum? in a heart beat.

i don't think my hatred for isiah needs to be expanded on... but if he can somehow manage to swindle kobe away, for anyone... draft picks for the next 10 years... all sins are forgiven. isiah would be out of my doghouse. and it's a big doghouse.
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The only reason that the Buss regime isn't getting as much flack as the Dolan regime is because A)the Dolan regime doesn't have 8 championships on its resume
that's a big fuck difference... nay... a HUGE fuck difference... GYNORMOUS fuck difference.

i'd kiss dolan's feet if he gave me 8 championships to celebrate, even if he spent the next 5 years fucking things up.

it's the same reason why people don't get on the celtics as much as they do the knicks... championships. the knicks haven't won one since 1973, and they only have two total.
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I really only seeing Kobe going to the Bulls too, and I don't think they're losing much if they gave away Gordon, Deng, Wallace, and the 9th pick. They would be a title contender like you guys said in a relatively big market and in the East, plus the Lakers would have a decent team, kind of like the 76ers West.
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psst... some in chicago think deng's a superstar
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They have to get rid of Ben Gordon regardless, he's a great shooter but he's a defensive liability and way too streaky. If a Kobe trade doesn't go down, I really expect a Gordon-Randolph swap.

Portland's in need of another scorer, and a possible Roy-Gordon-Aldridge-Oden/Durant tandem is awesome.
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They have to get rid of Ben Gordon regardless, he's a great shooter but he's a defensive liability and way too streaky.
"great shooter" and "streaky" are oxymorons.

he's a good, not great, good scorer... his shot is suspect, and completely disapears from time to time. streak shooters, by definition, aren't great shooters.

john starks was the ultimate streak shooter... he could hit 8 threes on any given night... and miss 15 the next. good scorer? yes... great shooter? no chance.

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Portland's in need of another scorer, and a possible Roy-Gordon-Aldridge-Oden/Durant tandem is awesome.
a) let's slow down before we call a lineup of mostly unproven talent "awesome"... how about "great upside potential" instead.
b) who's running the point?
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I really only seeing Kobe going to the Bulls too, and I don't think they're losing much if they gave away Gordon, Deng, Wallace, and the 9th pick. They would be a title contender like you guys said in a relatively big market and in the East, plus the Lakers would have a decent team, kind of like the 76ers West.
You don't think they're losing much if they give up Deng, Gordon, Big Ben, AND the 9th pick? So

Tyrus
Nocioni
Kobe/Sefolosha
Hinrich/Duhon

is going to contend for a title? No. That team is only marginally better than what Kobe has in LA right now.

Superstar trades never net equal value, especially when said Superstar wants out. It's naive to think this will be any different if Kobe is traded.

A deal of Gordon, Nocioni, Tyrus is more realistic. MAYBE the 9th pick.

Take it from a Bulls fan: Deng and Gordon will never, ever, ever, ever be traded at the same time. One only has to read so many quotes from Paxson to know that. And Deng would be the perfect sidekick for Kobe.

Also....If LA trades Kobe, they're going into rebuilding mode. They're not going to want overpaid not-so-young offensively bankrupt outside-of-put-backs Ben Wallace.

The goal of any Kobe trade for Chicago should be to come out of with a team of Wallace/whoever/Deng/Kobe/Hinrich.

And FYI, a Lakers team with Deng, Gordon, Big Ben, the 9th pick, Lamar Odom, and eventually Bynum, plus the Lakers' pick this year, would be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the 76ers. That was an outrageous statement, to compare a potential post-Kobe team with that much young talent(Bulls are giving up too much in your scenario) to a 76ers team that really doesn't have much outside of Iggy, Andre Miller, and a few draft picks.
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"great shooter" and "streaky" are oxymorons.

he's a good, not great, good scorer... his shot is suspect, and completely disapears from time to time. streak shooters, by definition, aren't great shooters.

john starks was the ultimate streak shooter... he could hit 8 threes on any given night... and miss 15 the next. good scorer? yes... great shooter? no chance.



a) let's slow down before we call a lineup of mostly unproven talent "awesome"... how about "great upside potential" instead.
b) who's running the point?
Yeah, you're right about streaky/great shooter. One good scorer who's too streaky for me is Hedo Turkoglu He'll score 20 points, but only after 10-15 shots.

I hate saying upside potential, but the idea of that group sounds awesome to me.

I think Jarrett Jack ran the point for them last year, he and Roy almost averaged the same amount of assists too (Jack's 5 to Roy's 4) and both can see the floor well enough to run the point.

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You don't think they're losing much if they give up Deng, Gordon, Big Ben, AND the 9th pick? So

Tyrus
Nocioni
Kobe/Sefolosha
Hinrich/Duhon

is going to contend for a title? No. That team is only marginally better than what Kobe has in LA right now.

Superstar trades never net equal value, especially when said Superstar wants out. It's naive to think this will be any different if Kobe is traded.

A deal of Gordon, Nocioni, Tyrus is more realistic. MAYBE the 9th pick.

Take it from a Bulls fan: Deng and Gordon will never, ever, ever, ever be traded at the same time. One only has to read so many quotes from Paxson to know that. And Deng would be the perfect sidekick for Kobe.

Also....If LA trades Kobe, they're going into rebuilding mode. They're not going to want overpaid not-so-young offensively bankrupt outside-of-put-backs Ben Wallace.

The goal of any Kobe trade for Chicago should be to come out of with a team of Wallace/whoever/Deng/Kobe/Hinrich.

And FYI, a Lakers team with Deng, Gordon, Big Ben, the 9th pick, Lamar Odom, and eventually Bynum, plus the Lakers' pick this year, would be MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than the 76ers. That was an outrageous statement, to compare a potential post-Kobe team with that much young talent(Bulls are giving up too much in your scenario) to a 76ers team that really doesn't have much outside of Iggy, Andre Miller, and a few draft picks.
They won't have the money for a Kobe trade unless they throw in Wallace, or a resigned Nocioni/PJ Brown tandem are involved to compliment Gordon (I'm not sure if he's getting an extension next year or not, I know Hinrich is for sure.)

If you put that proposed Lakers team in the East, they would dominate. I honestly believe they would be a good, young team that's close to being good, but not there yet. Do you really think that Lakers team is better than any other playoff team? Or teams on the edge like New Orleans or the Clippers? That's why I think they're like the '6ers West, and I can definitely see why you'd disagree.
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a) bynum would go with kobe to the bulls in the rumored trade
b) there's this little thing called a salary cap in the NBA. gordon, nocioni and tyrus thomas, even if the lakers were dumb enough to agree to that package for the best player in the league, is an illegal trade because the salaries do not match. ben wallace needs to be included in any trade for kobe bryant in order to get the salaries to match up... yes, the only player on the bulls roster with a contract number big enough to be close enough to kobe to get it to work can't even average a double double... i know i know, crazy.
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I think Jarrett Jack ran the point for them last year,
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I still stand by what I said about Deng: He will not be dealt, not even for Kobe.
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