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Old 01-08-2008, 11:13 AM   #226
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why wouldn't clemens do this? there's no way to prove the accusation, so there's no way to tell if clemens is lying or if mcnamee is lying. he can sound as outraged as he wants because he knows full well that there are no reciepts and no positive tests to prove that he did it.

when a guy names 10 guys, and 9 guys admitt that the guy was telling the truth, and one guy says he was lying... yea... i'm gonna believe the guy who named the 10 guys.

and on that, clemens is still a first ballot hall of famer and it's an absolute joke if he's not voted in as such. much like it'll be a continuing joke when mcgwire isn't voted in today.

but not as big a joke as if jim rice doesn't get in today.
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Old 01-08-2008, 02:08 PM   #227
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Rice missed it by 14 votes.

What a joke indeed.
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Goose is in!
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Old 01-08-2008, 04:23 PM   #229
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Mark McGwire got the same 128 votes he got last year...
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how jim rice isn't a hall of famer, i do not know.
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Old 01-09-2008, 01:47 PM   #231
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I'm more of a Dwight Evans guy myself...and I'd put Andre Dawson and Lou Whitaker in.

And who the f**k exactly voted for Todd Stottlemyre? Does Mel have a vote?
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:04 PM   #232
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As much as I loved watching Dewey Evans play, I don't believe he is quite hall of fame material, but Rice is.


And who voted for Chuck Finley, does Tawny Kitaen have a vote? And did Halle Berry vote for David Justice?
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Old 01-10-2008, 09:46 AM   #233
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Nevermind, Todd earned his vote...

http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/01...m-too-now.html

Travis Fryman? Was he ever even an All Star? Can we get some love for John Valentin & Mo Vaughn? Maybe when they're eligible...
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:03 PM   #234
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Travis Fryman was an all-star SS/3B for Detroit for a number of years, but he's well behind someone like Alan Trammell, who is considered a borderline candidate.

Mo Vaughn is almost certainly considered damaged goods now.
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But Mo has been elected to the Foxy Lady Hall of Fame, so he's got that going for him.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:20 PM   #236
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Yeah true. Wasn't Fryman on those slugging Tigers teams with Tettleton, Deer, Fielder, Tony Phillips...and Trammell & Whitaker were still there I think.

Would you put Trammell in? I think he's hurt (and Whitaker to an extent) but the big-hitting middle infielders like Kent, Sandberg, Nomar, Jeter, and ARod.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:26 PM   #237
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People forget what an absolute beast Mo was when he was in Boston. I blame Steve Phillips

Edit: Just realized people might think I seriously want Mo & Valentin in the HoF. Forgot the smilie.
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Sigh.....

What could have been....

From mlb.com:

"Figgins led the Majors in on-base percentage from the leadoff spot last season, reaching base at a .415 clip while hitting a career-best .330, sixth in the American League.

Kotchman was on his way to a career year when he was derailed by injuries, but he still finished with a .296 average and career highs in doubles (37), homers (11) and RBIs (68). His .372 on-base percentage was third-best on the club after Vladimir Guerrero's .403 and Figgins' .393.

A left wrist injury sustained on Aug. 21, requiring surgery after the season, dogged Figgins down the stretch and during the three-game sweep by Boston in the AL Division Series.

"It was hard to keep both hands on the bat," Figgins admitted when it was over. "You leave it all on the field; that's all you can do. Boston just beat us. You can give thousands of reasons why they won, but it doesn't really matter.

"We have a good team. We didn't have our guys on the field. That's not an excuse; it's a fact. It happened. You don't have your guys on the field, it's hard to beat a team like Boston."

Kotchman was forced to watch the final two games of the series from a hospital bed, taken down by an illness in Beantown as the series unfolded. Gary Matthews Jr. missed the entire series with a knee injury, while Guerrero and Garret Anderson were far from healthy.
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John...you, a supposed ace, couldn't get outs so it didn't matter who was hurt or faked an illness to avoid the embarassment of being on the field for yet another devastatingly one sided series sweep.
Look in the mirror John.
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Would you put Trammell in? I think he's hurt (and Whitaker to an extent)
Trammell and Whittaker are both hurt by their guest appearance on Magnum P.I.
After that, they stood no chance of the HoF.
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