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Old 12-14-2007, 11:11 AM   #181
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You know...for someone who was using steriods, Jerry Hairston Jr. still really sucked on my Cubbies

Now, Glenallen Hill, that guy was a home run beast.
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Maybe Yankee fans care cause their 4 WS titles between 1996 and 2000 now have to be listed in the record books with an asterisk.
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Don't lump me in with him.

And, 1996 seems to be clean, the rest, who knows? It's a bummer that so many Yankees are implicated, that's for sure.
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Don't lump me in with him.
Don't you have a split NY/NY shirt with "JeteReyes" on the back too?

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i think the thing that clemens and even bonds have going for them from this report is that steroids don't make you a great player, as seen by the sheer number of bums on this list. you've got to be pretty damned good already to have steroids help you over the top.
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Old 12-14-2007, 12:40 PM   #185
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I think it's easy to assume that at least half the players were doing something, because they all have to know what their teammates are doing. And the pressure to stay competitive is pretty great.

How long has Lyle Alzado been dead? He was pumping that stuff at least 25 years ago, and I doubt he was the only one.

None of this can really be a surprise to anyone following sports the last couple decades.

Glad to see Kevin Brown's name on the list What an a-hole
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well... to be fair lyle alzado's own doctor said that it's highly unlikely that he got his brain cancer from steroid abuse... but that said, it's obvious that abuse of the drug does lead to other medical issues.
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Yeah, I agree there. But my point was that the use of these drugs has been going on for a long time.

Saw a funny quote today in the LA Times, "Remember when Sosa and McGwire were hitting all those bombs, and people were wondering if the baseballs were juiced".
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I NEVER ONCE SAID MITCHELL WAS STICKING IT TO THE YANKEES!
Mitchell's report only effects one current Yankee, Andy Pettite.

Everyone else thinks I'm pissed because it's got a bunch of Yankees in the report. I'm not. Why do I care about shit that happened 5-10 years ago? I only care about stuff that's happened in 2004 and afterward when all this shit was made illegal.

MY OPINION IS THAT THIS REPORT SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE FISHY. That's where my opinion comes in. Yes, it's not a fact, just an opinion. It is possible, believe it or not, that a person can have an opinion about an alleged fact.
The Mitchell report is only the beginning of this saga in MLB.

Just think, if I went along with the rest you, you wouldn't have someone to pick on or insult.
Actually, all of it except Andro has been illegal for longer than since 2004.

Here's the thing: You've no basis for your fishy argument. None. Your opinion is not an argument. You can have an opinion, as long as it's based on facts.

And, yeah, what Headache said for the last part.
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Actually, all of it except Andro has been illegal for longer than since 2004.

Here's the thing: You've no basis for your fishy argument. None. Your opinion is not an argument. You can have an opinion, as long as it's based on facts.

And, yeah, what Headache said for the last part.
I believe HGH wasn't made illegal until January of 2005.
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Ah, right. I forgot about that.

But most of the steroids listed have been illegal for a while, right?
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i think the thing that clemens and even bonds have going for them from this report is that steroids don't make you a great player, as seen by the sheer number of bums on this list. you've got to be pretty damned good already to have steroids help you over the top.
Both Bonds & Clemens (and probably Canseco too actually) were great players, and they'd have been great with or without roids. But guys like McGwire & Sosa were pretty one-dimensional, neither was a great hitter or great player, they just hit for a ton of power. If I was voting I'd vote Bonds & Clemens in, and leave McGwire & Sosa out.
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Both Bonds & Clemens (and probably Canseco too actually) were great players, and they'd have been great with or without roids. But guys like McGwire & Sosa were pretty one-dimensional, neither was a great hitter or great player, they just hit for a ton of power. If I was voting I'd vote Bonds & Clemens in, and leave McGwire & Sosa out.
Even as a Cubs fan I see no reason for Sammy to make it to the HOF.

McGwire however I might think differently. Correct me if I am wrong, but he hasn't been accused of taking steriods, just androstenedione, which was not illegal at the time he used it.

If that is the case, the man should be given consideration because he did not cheat according to the rules.

Plus, it wasn't just his record setting home run year that made him good, he was fairly good in Oakland too.

edit: Jose Canseco's book isn't enough to prove to me he was on steriods either.
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