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Old 08-01-2005, 05:24 PM   #316
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I can't stand MLB for this steriod BS. It makes me irate to think that players use used steriods will be rewarded with a place in the hall of fame. It's absolutely wrong.
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Theres no way, steroids or no steroids, that Bonds will be left out of the hall of fame.

like phanan said, his numbers alone and then add in the MVP's... hes an undenible hall of famer.

but this will open a bag of worms with pete rose again too i bet eventually.
That's fine. And in 20 years, when I take my kids to the HOF, and we pass by the Bonds exibit, I'll tell them "Barry Bonds was a cheat kids, he doesn't belong here."
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It makes me irate to think that players use used steriods will be rewarded with a place in the hall of fame. It's absolutely wrong.
I agree with you 100% on this matter but unfortunately players from this generation will be going to Cooperstown. Does that include players like Palmeiro, Sosa, Giambi etc? It probably does. The only way you can exclude people is you know exactly who was a user and who wasn't. It would basically take an admittance of guilt by the player himself.

Are there cheaters in the HOF? Surely there are, whether it be with corked bats, spit balls, or sandpaper in the hat. Granted the cheating may have never been as widespread during the steroid era, but these players will get into Cooperstown. Baseball's only true mortal sin is gambling. People make the argument for Pete Rose, but what about Joe Jackson? 1919 was a long long time ago and he is still not there.

Another thing that helps the player's chances of getting in is the waiting period after retirement. It gives people a chance to forgive and forget. Most likely if you took a vote today, Palmeiro would not get the 75% needed for induction. Five years from now? I think he gets it, but who knows. We have a short attention span in this country and who gets in and who doesn't will speak to that.
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but this will open a bag of worms with pete rose again too i bet eventually.
Anyone else catch the ironic twist in this sentence?
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hah ryan franklin from the mariners got suspended today for steroids
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although as a mets fan, Victor Zambrano can make me uncomfortable in my chair while watching him pitch. I can't knock his taste in music. While he warms up on the mound there is always a U2 song on the PA, usually Vertigo.
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if Raffy comes clean before his balloting for the HOF he's in. call it "short attention span theatre" or whatever you like, but we love to forgive the failings of our heros.
3,000+/ 500+. America loves a winner.

btw, Rose has gotten a bum deal. he bet on his team to WIN!!!
his mistake was not fessing up to it for 20 years. that was his undoing.
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btw, Rose has gotten a bum deal. he bet on his team to WIN!!!
his mistake was not fessing up to it for 20 years. that was his undoing.
It doesn't matter whether he bet on his team to win or not. When gambling is anvolved in any way, the outcome is tainted. Gambling is the ultimate mortal sin in baseball. Rose is a scumbag and in no way derserves to be a hall of famer. If Rose is gets in then you have to put Joe Jackson in there too.
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if Raffy comes clean before his balloting for the HOF he's in. call it "short attention span theatre" or whatever you like, but we love to forgive the failings of our heros.
3,000+/ 500+. America loves a winner.

btw, Rose has gotten a bum deal. he bet on his team to WIN!!!
his mistake was not fessing up to it for 20 years. that was his undoing.

I do not think you understand how betting on your team to win still looks bad.

Lets say your going to bet on your team to win on thursday. Normally #1 pitchers match up against each other. If I wanted to win thursday and both My #1 pitcher is pitching and their #1 pitcher is pitching on Weds.. So if you hold him back you get a more favorable matchup on thurs. This works with regular position players. Perhaps you give them the day off before the thursday game.

So betting on your team to win means dick. It says in everyclubhouse no gambling. This is the cardinal rule in baseball.

Also on a side note. This Charlie Hustle thing is bullshit. Everyone should hustle and most do.

He was a great player and by sheer numbers could belong in Cooperstown. However, He shit on the game, then lied about it. You do not get to pick when you choose to tell the truth, the truth is beyond any one person.
He lacked that respect for the game, hence he does not love the game.
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I do not think you understand how betting on your team to win still looks bad.

Lets say your going to bet on your team to win on thursday. Normally #1 pitchers match up against each other. If I wanted to win thursday and both My #1 pitcher is pitching and their #1 pitcher is pitching on Weds.. So if you hold him back you get a more favorable matchup on thurs. This works with regular position players. Perhaps you give them the day off before the thursday game.

So betting on your team to win means dick. It says in everyclubhouse no gambling. This is the cardinal rule in baseball.

Also on a side note. This Charlie Hustle thing is bullshit. Everyone should hustle and most do.

He was a great player and by sheer numbers could belong in Cooperstown. However, He shit on the game, then lied about it. You do not get to pick when you choose to tell the truth, the truth is beyond any one person.
He lacked that respect for the game, hence he does not love the game.


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my God christ carpenter is a freaking stud

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If Carpenter stays strong down the stretch, he should win. But if Clemens can at least reach 15 wins with that miniscule ERA of his, it will be close.
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Old 08-03-2005, 08:03 AM   #329
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my God christ carpenter is a freaking stud

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He's damn good and damn good looking.
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I knew there was another prequisite for the Cy Young that I was missing.
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