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Old 07-10-2007, 02:53 PM   #16
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I agree, but at the same time, I think that if we continue to single out Africa and single out charities and aid and bla bla bla...it just feeds back into the "us and them" attitude. I wish that America had a better global perspective in general. Sure, it's great to buy RED stuff at Gap for the reason that part of it goes to aid, but is that at all realistic? What about going to the grocery store? Putting gas in the tank? Paying utility bills? IMO, money is money and an economy is an economy. Lets forget all the emotional baggage for a second and just look at it in terms of promoting economic development. It really doesn't matter what our motivations are. Africa needs more developed economies, period. For me, it's beyond the point of whether people do it for the coolness factor or actually care. I'm the first to admit that I never think twice about where my cereal comes from, where my toothpaste comes from, where my home cleaning products are coming from. I guess it's almost like if we're always trying to point out "Africa", we're just creating a self-fulfilling prophecy that Africa is somehow lesser than everywhere else and therefore needs our help all the time. They need business, they need jobs, they need economic development. I don't think people there really much care whether the person buying the shirt is doing it based on altruistic motives or just wants to be part of the fad. Are we really doing it for them, or because it makes us feel better? I know I'm often guilty of the latter. I don't mean to single out your post, I'm just spouting off the top of my head, probably not making sense....



The problem I have with some charities is that a lot of donations go towards administrative costs, a lot more than we think. It's hard to find an org that is entirely transparent and will guarantee that your money is being used appropriately or will at least be honest about part of it going towards their own organizational development. I do think that the amount RED is giving is pretty crappy.
I don't disagree with what you are saying about that throwing money at Africa isn't the answer. There needs to be sustainable development and investment in African nations. But, it's a long slow process and big results are not going to come quickly.

In general, people need to think of giving as more than just buying a t-shirt. It's giving money, and more importantly it's about giving time.

When it comes to charitable giving, it's all about doing your homework.

I have worked with nonprofit charitable organizations and the good ones are extremely transparent -- if they are not, they are usually called on it pretty quickly.

Here in the U.S. through the Better Business Bureau's Web site, http://www.give.org/ , you can investigate varios charities, including how much of their money goes directly to helping people and how much goes towards administrative expenses.
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Old 07-10-2007, 03:12 PM   #18
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Some who buy the (RED) shirts are buying them for the cool factor and are blindly giving without investigating the charity or the issues involved (i.e. Bono thinks this is a good thing and so do I).
I'll tell you why I honestly bought them.

I was at the Gap with a couple of friends and they were selling them 2 for $25. Not the Inspi(RED) ones but with different words on them and in a variety of colours (red, charcoal, heather grey, beige). They were cheap and we needed t-shirts and I like a v-neck, so....

I wasn't rushing out to buy them when they came out, and I'm dubious about how much success they have longterm anyway.
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It's like the old saying "Give a man a fish and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you will feed him for a lifetime."
Teach a man to fish, you can be rid of him for days!
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I'll tell you why I honestly bought them.

I was at the Gap with a couple of friends and they were selling them 2 for $25. Not the Inspi(RED) ones but with different words on them and in a variety of colours (red, charcoal, heather grey, beige). They were cheap and we needed t-shirts and I like a v-neck, so....
....I bought four "RED" shirts (three T-shirts and a polo-like shirt) all because they were priced at like 4USD.

I bought them because I love irony!

the State of Indiana got more of my money than the RED campaign.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying about that throwing money at Africa isn't the answer. There needs to be sustainable development and investment in African nations. But, it's a long slow process and big results are not going to come quickly.

In general, people need to think of giving as more than just buying a t-shirt.
Right, but for me it's not about giving, it's about economic development. No economy can develop and mature based on charitable donations. There's a time and a place for giving - be it money, time, help, etc - but in the grand scheme of things, giving is not going to pull an entire continent out of an economic slump. I've got nothing against charity orgs and non-profits (I do volunteer web management for such orgs), but no developed country got where they are today because of aid. Personally, I'd be more excited if RED would try something like Edun, but on a bigger, more marketable scale - instead of donating part of the proceeds, just setup for-profit businesses that create jobs and local industries.
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You know who bought less crap? The communists. And where are THEY now? Exactly. Extinct. Like dinosaurs and narwhales.
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I can't even tell what yer sayin, op.
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You know who bought less crap? The communists. And where are THEY now? Exactly. Extinct. Like dinosaurs and narwhales.
no. i definitely saw a narwhale yesterday at quizno's.
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Shit. Buy less crap, people - The goddamn Narwhales are coming back for us. And this time they won't stop until we're all dead. It's us or them.
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