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Old 05-24-2008, 03:36 AM   #616
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DreamOutLoud, I can't remember the name of the medication I take. I know my medication doesn't work and I should say something but I want my family to think I'm okay. I don't want them worrying about me. It's not fair to them.

I hope your struggle continues to turn out well.
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Basically all conceptualisations of the afterlife with which I am familiar rely in some way on the presence of a deity. How does the afterlife exist and function in the absence of a deity?
Am I going to have to write a book on the scientific possibilities of an afterlife? I'm shocked this hasn't been explored.
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DreamOutLoud, I can't remember the name of the medication I take. I know my medication doesn't work and I should say something but I want my family to think I'm okay. I don't want them worrying about me. It's not fair to them.
It's not fair to yourself to keep faking it and not have your problems addressed so you can have a more happy and fulfilling life. And your family loves you so, whatever worry this might cause them, it's even more unfair to them that for the sake of them, you are miserable. They wouldn't want that!
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Am I going to have to write a book on the scientific possibilities of an afterlife? I'm shocked this hasn't been explored.
The afterlife is a non-falsifiable claim, so I don't see what science has got to do with it.
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Put it this way Screwtape - it's much worse for the family to be suspecting but unable to do anything to help because you won't put yourself out there. Let me tell you.
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You know what disappoints me? Whenever theology comes up, it's always either LM or the Maj. around, but never both. It would be bloody interesting to have both of them and might provide some more balance to the discussion.
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DreamOutLoud, I can't remember the name of the medication I take. I know my medication doesn't work and I should say something but I want my family to think I'm okay. I don't want them worrying about me. It's not fair to them.

I hope your struggle continues to turn out well.
Can you describe what the pills look like?

And your family shouldn't have anything to do with your medication. It goes into YOUR body. Do you see your psychiatrist alone or with your parents present? You're old enough to be seeing your psychiatrist alone. At your next appointment, bring up your issues and request something different. Your family doesn't necessarily need to know about it, and it's illegal for your doctor to tell them about it. If they want to know why you're changing meds, just say the doctor thought it would be a good idea to try something different.
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The afterlife is a non-falsifiable claim, so I don't see what science has got to do with it.
Science has everything to do with the afterlife. Science possibilities whether it be altered realities, levels of consciousness, space relative to time and so on makes an afterlife plausible because of the mere existence of those things.
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By the way, am I the only person here that's not an athiest?
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Because you cling to non-falsifiable claims, tradition, etc.

I say this as somebody who began to study theology because he wanted to confirm his religious beliefs and has come out an atheist.
Spiritual beliefs change for many reasons. I don't believe FACTS really have much to do with spiritual faith. At all. My faith has been strengthened by my personal experiences, while others have become discouraged because of them. I think that's mostly what it comes down to...you become biased and you find what you look for. Ultimately, I feel sorry for folks who just give up on any sort of spiritual life because evolution has a larger amount of material evidence than creationism. But maybe they just don't want to waste their time. It's an odd subject.
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By the way, am I the only person here that's not an athiest?
elmel isn't
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By the way, am I the only person here that's not an athiest?
You aren't?

(I must admit, my default assumption is that people are atheists or agnostics or simply unconcerned with religion. Holds true here, i.e. "here" being where I live, not "here" being Interference.)

But see my reference to LM and the Maj. The Maj. actually studies theology and I think leads some stuff at his church.
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By the way, am I the only person here that's not an athiest?
Khan and ElMel, from memory
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elmel isn't
Let's see...who else...

I don't think Mia is atheist...I just don't think she really cares that much.

Pfan believes in an afterlife, not sure what faith he subscribes to though.
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Can you describe what the pills look like?

And your family shouldn't have anything to do with your medication. It goes into YOUR body. Do you see your psychiatrist alone or with your parents present? You're old enough to be seeing your psychiatrist alone. At your next appointment, bring up your issues and request something different. Your family doesn't necessarily need to know about it, and it's illegal for your doctor to tell them about it. If they want to know why you're changing meds, just say the doctor thought it would be a good idea to try something different.

I found one of the bottles. It is Fluoxetine.

My mom usually comes along but I can her to leave the room. I know I should tell my shrink all this but I just want to accept it and move on. I don't want them to...I don't know. I just want to move on.
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