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Old 05-23-2008, 10:58 PM   #301
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That right now, Diemen is doing what Diemen does best: owning people who are out of their depth.
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Indeed he is. I'd like to think I'm helping out a bit, too.
Nope.
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Is it good? Is it revealing of the characters? Will it make people think about their own beliefs?
I'm not sure I can really answer that, not being someone with much of a grasp of the medium. I feel like the conversation is stilted and contrived, but that's a quality I associate with comics in general.
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If you stop to listen to me you'll see I'm egotistical.
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Screwtape, you just don't get it. You're wrong. Everyone sees that. You're clearly out of your depth, but go ahead. I'm not sure if it's out of pig-headedness, arrogance or sheer naivete, but keep on trying. It'll only confirm everyone's thoughts more.
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Nope.
I know, since you're ignoring most of my responses.

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I'm not sure I can really answer that, not being someone with much of a grasp of the medium. I feel like the conversation is stilted and contrived, but that's a quality I associate with comics in general.
They are, but in a pulpy, tongue-in-cheek, cavalier sort of way.

Screwy, what are you trying to go for here?
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I don't know why I'm posting in there anymore, honestly. It's something I feel compelled by, I guess.

Reading the comic now, Screwy. First suggestion though, none of these characters are actually speaking to each other. They're all spouting off these aphoristic phrases on how to improve the world. I like the idea you have here and I'm sure it would translate better with the artwork intact, but there's absolutely no subtlety to the dialogue. Perhaps it's intentional, but it's coming off as heavy-handed.
It is actually supposed to be like that in a way. I want to fix the dialouge between Beholder and Nighthawk but for Nighthawk and The Voice it is meant to be an exchange of thoughts. I want the reader to think of it as two minds in one. The conversation is like passing thoughts instead of actual human communication. I want there to be a different feel when people are talking to The Voice than when they are talking to each other.
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I know, since you're ignoring most of my responses.



They are, but in a pulpy, tongue-in-cheek, cavalier sort of way.

Screwy, what are you trying to go for here?
Like I said the conversation is meant to feel like two minds in one passing wandering thoughts like a tapestry out of an epiphany. What did you think of it overall?
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Okay, that makes sense, but it comes off as incredibly self-righteous and heavy-handed. You're not giving these characters any individuality or defining traits - it was 3 pages and I had a hard time following who was saying what. People like Alan Moore can delve into these sorts of questions and philosophies through their comics and world they create. This comes off more like the author speaking directly to me. It doesn't go anywhere, or at least you're ideas aren't transferring well onto paper. And where did Mephisto's Realm come into play? As a reader, I don't like seeing the writer force his view onto me that severely, but if it was introduced into the dialogue/story with subtlety, then it's all good in da 'hood.

I didn't like reading this, but it's cool that you're trying.
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I don't know why I'm posting in there anymore, honestly. It's something I feel compelled by, I guess.

Reading the comic now, Screwy. First suggestion though, none of these characters are actually speaking to each other. They're all spouting off these aphoristic phrases on how to improve the world. I like the idea you have here and I'm sure it would translate better with the artwork intact, but there's absolutely no subtlety to the dialogue. Perhaps it's intentional, but it's coming off as heavy-handed.
I'd be inclined to agree with this assessment.
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Screws, have you read/seen Waiting for Godot?

If you haven't, I highly suggest it. It could be very helpful for your writing. Basically, Beckett delves into these existential and religious themes through his characters while keeping the focus on them.
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Screwtape, you just don't get it. You're wrong. Everyone sees that. You're clearly out of your depth, but go ahead. I'm not sure if it's out of pig-headedness, arrogance or sheer naivete, but keep on trying. It'll only confirm everyone's thoughts more.
If you all would stop to listen to me you would see I am right. It is that simply. Call me arrogant and whatever else you want because believe me I have been called worse here. I know I am right.
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I have become rather convinced that anybody who boldly proclaims "I am right! I know I am right!" is actually going to turn out to be wrong a lot of the time, because such a proclamation is so lacking in nuance that it indicates the individual's own analysis is going to lack nuance too.

But shall we not drag the other thread's argument in here?
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I have become rather convinced that anybody who boldly proclaims "I am right! I know I am right!" is actually going to turn out to be wrong a lot of the time, because such a proclamation is so lacking in nuance that it indicates the individual's own analysis is going to lack nuance too.

But shall we not drag the other thread's argument in here?
Fair enough.

So have you listened to my DI list yet, Ax?
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