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Old 06-10-2005, 11:19 PM   #1
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Billy Corgan Rips Indie a New Asshole

From the new Paste Magazine.

When asked why Zwan broke up:

While the alternative all-star line up was reminiscent of certian classic rock predecessors attempts to delay going solo-Clapton & Blind Faith, Crosby & CSN, et al-Corgan insists it wasn't a consious effort to draft musicians with history, describing it as more of a domino process of indie-rock networking. Ultimately, however, it was the underground loyalties of Zwan's component parts that broke up the band, according to a still miffed Corgan-

"They proved me right, which is that the whole indie thing is just a pose. I can't say that about everybody, but our general feeling in the Pumpkins always was that people took the indie route because deep down they knew they didn't have the talent to make it on the mainstream level. And those people proved to me, that deep down, they don't have the talent, or the focus, or the true love of people to want to get out there and try to connect with people. It's really about them. And fundamentally Jimmy and I disagree with them."

"If you're going to play music at a high level, to a large audience, it can't really be about you. You have to make it seem like it's about you, but it has to be about others, about sharing. And their indie cred mentality really is about 'What's this got to do with me?' and 'Can I find people who agree with me, who think like me, who dress like me, smoke pot like me?' They're just assholes. It's simple. I could go on with a thousand stories, but you can put it in big capital letters: THEY'RE JUST ASSHOLES. They didn't really care. They didn't really care about the music, they didn't really care about the fans.. They just want to live like pieces of shit and live their little weird creepy lives. End of story."


Brilliant.
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What is meant by indie?

Are these over-generalised comments by Corgan fair?

Should everything said by Corgan be taken seriously given some of his previous outbursts on various subjects?

Gentle reader I will let you be the judge.
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Who cares? It's funny.
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Indie has different meanings in the UK than it does in the US.

For example, Oasis are still refered to as "indie" in the UK because they were on a small label when they hit (Creation Records).

In the US, indie is attitude. If you're big, you're bad. If you're small, you're good.
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Wow, I had totally forgotten about Zwan! They broke up? I only knew that 'Honestly' song anyway.
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In the US, indie is attitude. If you're big, you're bad. If you're small, you're good.
Ok, fair enough but the comment he made about "living their little creepy lives" is a bit judgemental.
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What is meant by indie?
what Brau said saves me a 200 word post:

"In the US, indie is attitude. If you're big, you're bad. If you're small, you're good"

I would add an "image" of perceived credibilty that only exists within this attitude.
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http://www.mis-one.com/videos/Scenesucks.mov
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http://www.mis-one.com/videos/Scenesucks.mov
Yep. That's it.
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creepy little lives is probably a direct stab at some of the Zwan folks...although, that cd is really good
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I agree with the idea that Corgan can be a pain in the ass type or an asshole himself but IMO he is pretty spot on in what he's saying. The creepy part wa probably added in for effect!
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that was pretty good.
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I don't think he's being fair
many 'indie' artists have tons of focus and talent but they're music can't be accepted on a mainstream level.

Corgan needs to wake up and realize that Zwan was pretty bland and had no chance of getting popular. He's so obssessed with being on top of the charts. That is partly what brought the pumpkins down.
'oh, Britney Spears is winning...I quit'

God love him, but he needs to focus on making good music again.
but alas, all his future endeavors will fail in the light of the awesomness of Smashing Pumpkins
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In the US, indie is attitude. If you're big, you're bad. If you're small, you're good.
I think this is a complete, total illusion. I remember when people screamed "sell-out" when REM started getting platinum albums. It was ridiculous. They had simply gotten more popular and weren't anyone's secret band anymore. Some of their earlier fans were way too possessive.
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